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Imagine if some great idea stems out of a stupid one. Could
that happen? In my University group on Philology I read
a dictionary of some ancient language by someone that got it
all wrong, then received thousands of remarks, and
continuously improved the next editions until finally today
their dictionary is considered the number one in that field.
Granted, when an idea is a WIBNI, seems totally undoable or
just plain bad science (like many of mine have been, I think I
learned a lot here with time) we should spell out the
But there are just half baked ideas, that weren't thought
through, and have small flaws. The idea deserves my
but at the same time could use a word of encouragement to
improved. Maybe I could even think about it and give a
suggestion. Perhaps the best would be to say that I see a
problem, describe it, and suggest an improvement.
I have no idea how this can be done. Maybe we just need a
reminder that a fishbone today could become many
spelled correctly some day.
Your thoughts please?
[a1, Aug 12 2021]
[xaviergisz, Aug 12 2021]
||Not sure why, I pressed on two fries shy link on some other
idea and saw that he writes this:
||Perhaps it is better in this present world of ours that a
revolutionary idea or invention instead of being helped and
patted, be hampered and ill-treated in its adolescence
by want of means, by selfish interest, pedantry, stupidity
and ignorance; that it be attacked and stifled; that it pass
through bitter trials and tribulations, through the heartless
strife of commercial existence. So do we get our light. So
all that was great in the past was ridiculed, condemned,
combated, suppressed only to emerge all the more
powerfully, all the more triumphantly from the struggle.
||//Imagine if some great idea stems out of a stupid one// You're fighting against the tide here. Much more likely for a stupid idea to stem out of a great one.
||But to be serious for a few seconds, isn't that the whole point of the halfbakery? Stupid ideas are posted, are mocked, are developed into puns, and sometimes we get wee insights into what aspects of the idea are stupider. Its related to perpetual-motion-itis, where the goal is to work out exactly why the machine will fail to operate. That (stupid, ultimately frustrating) troubleshooting is the most amazing learning process.
||//Imagine if some great idea stems out of a stupid one.// -
This happens a lot already - I've seen many ideas here
inspired by, and improving on, other ideas
||This is described as an iterative process and is in common use by most designers.
||I think this is exactly what we do here. But not all
ideas can be fixed or made better, thats why we
||Most everything I wanted to say on this is already
covered in the help file, particularly the section
||All I can really add is that its often hard to tell if
someone wants practical development for an idea
or if theyre just trying to be funny. Even if you say
Hey, Im serious! a lot of people (including me)
would take that as an invitation for more jokes.
||I mean, this is also part of the "failed experiments should be
published" argument. Looking at how and why something
didn't work is often beneficial to finding a new way to look
at it, or inspiring a solution to some other problem.
||//failed experiments should be published//
Just read something related to this. Similar goal but different reasoning:
"The factory keeps no record of experiments. The foremen and superintendents remember what has been done. If a certain method has formerly been tried and failed, somebody will remember itbut I am not particularly anxious for the men to remember what someone else has tried to do in the past, for then we might quickly accumulate far too many things that could not be done. That is one of the troubles with extensive records. If you keep on recording all of your failures you will shortly have a list showing that there is nothing left for you to trywhereas it by no means follows because one man has failed in a certain method that another man will not succeed.
They told us we could not cast gray iron by our endless chain method and I believe there is a record of failures. But we are doing it. The man who carried through our work either did not know or paid no attention to the previous figures. Likewise we were told that it was out of the question to pour the hot iron directly from the blast furnace into mould. The usual method is to run the iron into pigs, let them season for a time, and then remelt them for casting. But at the River Rouge plant we are casting directly from cupolas that are filled from the blast furnaces. Then, too, a record of failuresparticularly if it is a dignified and well-authenticated recorddeters a young man from trying. We get some of our best results from letting fools rush in where angels fear to tread."
||~Henry Ford (My Life and Work)
||Failed experiments should be remembered and
dissected, lest to repeat same mistakes.
*encouraging a flawed idea* is a defeating
sentence as it already states the idea is
flawed.Maybe this is just a problem with words.
||I would like to be more like [Bliss]: generous and considerate. It would encourage a lot of better behavior compared to my present strategy of straight talk and bitterness. I would like to be, but I'm not. Maybe if I hadn't failed at all the everything I would have found some sweetness in life, and have something sweet to pass on.
||Bitterness is a daily choice that people choose by
default. Changing the default setting isn't as hard as
||Part of improving flawed ideas is responding to
people's questions and comments. Someone noted
recently that the author rarely does this.