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Solidarity Statue And Sculpture Wrap

wrap up your statues
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In Ukraine, many public statues have been wrapped in heavy padding and plastic sheeting in an effort to protect them from blast damage inflicted by Putin's genocidal bomb attacks.

The success of this remains to be seen, but as an act of global solidarity, I am promoting the idea of all other countries carrying out the same wrapping action on their equivalent public statues and other prominent pieces of sculpture.

Some countries won't do anything that may be seen as expressing support with Ukraine by delivering weapons etc, but this is a simple gesture that can gain global traction and would mean a lot to those enduring the onslaught of the 21st Century's only world scale psychopath.

Practically cost free, the wrappings would be easily removed once Putin has been defeated in a day of triumphant and celebratory unveiling.

quick digital collage in link and see pic references

xenzag, Mar 10 2022

Quick digital collage https://sodabred.tu...-sculpture-wrap-its
[xenzag, Mar 10 2022]

Wrapping Statues in Ukraine https://www.townand...tatues-lviv-photos/
there are many other references to this desperate action [xenzag, Mar 10 2022]

This is what genocide looks like https://www.theguar...=Share_iOSApp_Other
[xenzag, Mar 11 2022]

Let's call if what it is https://www.newyork...in-ukraine-genocide
Genocide [xenzag, Mar 17 2022]


       Genocidal? Really?
21 Quest, Mar 10 2022

       That said... [+]
21 Quest, Mar 10 2022

       He's not trying to destroy it, he's trying to assimilate it.
21 Quest, Mar 10 2022

       21, tell that to the people being bombed and starved
po, Mar 10 2022

       I've been watching a lot of news coverage about this topic, from multiple sources, and I have not seen the word genocide used anywhere. Nobody is calling it that.
21 Quest, Mar 10 2022

       Ok, so Zelensky is saying it based on a single children's hospital being struck. According to some of those sources, the G word has also been hurled AT the Ukrainians by the Russians.   

       As I understand it, those children's hospitals were already evacuated to underground shelters. Are there even any kids in them?
21 Quest, Mar 10 2022

       None of the sources I'd seen had used the word genocide. That was a true statement, and no, I don't agree with Russia's use of it or Ukraine's.
21 Quest, Mar 10 2022

       Think about the claims being made here: a children's hospital and maternity ward were "completely destroyed", but there were only 17 people injured and no deaths? How is that a genocidal attack?
21 Quest, Mar 10 2022

       "....and now over to 21, Putin's new spokesperson, who denies that deliberating bombing a maternity hospital is not part of campaign of genocide"
xenzag, Mar 10 2022

       Was anyone in it?
21 Quest, Mar 10 2022

       21, 3 died including a child. Try watching BBC news.
po, Mar 10 2022

       Yes - there were women in the middle giving birth. Regardless of how many were in it, the deliberate targetting of hospitals is a war crime. Killing newly born children is genocidal. Foxnews probably can't deal with genocide as it only includes one letter from the word golf.
xenzag, Mar 10 2022

       The support for Trump here was depressing enough but for Putin!!! If anyone here supports Putin, stay away from me. There is 100% solidarity for Ukraine where I live. In fact, one of the very weapons that is effectively destroying his armoured vehicles is made here, and thousands of them have been sent. I cannot engage in combat, but I can express support for those being attacked by this mad psycho, and I can try and get that expressed with a simple gesture like wrapping up public statues.
xenzag, Mar 10 2022

       I don't watch Fox news or any other right wing sources. But unless that hospital is filled with people of a specific religious or ethnic group, it's not GENOCIDE.
21 Quest, Mar 10 2022

       Liberals have a real tough time understanding what certain words mean. Y'all keep trying to redefine them. Genocide doesn't mean "was crime". It doesn't mean "mass murder" or "atrocity". It means ethnic cleansing, and that's not what's going on in Ukraine.
21 Quest, Mar 10 2022

       To be fair, [21], not everyone on the left side of the aisle is engaged in the foolish project of trying to lever the world into shape with a dictionary. Some are, especially in academia and the fine arts, but not all.   

       Carry on.
pertinax, Mar 11 2022

       //lever the world into shape with a dictionary.//   

       You do realize that sentence is a work of art don't you? Very clever, I will steal it and use it as if it were my own.
doctorremulac3, Mar 11 2022

       //"Assimilating" by means killing most or all who think of themselves as Ukrainian rather than Russian - is still genocide.//   

       It would be. Fortunately no one is doing that.
Voice, Mar 11 2022

       //denies that deliberating bombing a maternity hospital is not part of campaign of genocide"//   

       Put me on that list, I also deny it. I don't know whether it was being used by the Ukrainian military but I have seen Ukrainian artillery set up in a Ukrainian school yard. And the number of deaths (although every death is tragic) is not what you would get from an attempt at genocide. You want to yell "genocide"? You also want to accuse the US of doing evil things? Take a look at Yemen and you'll find something much closer to that. A rotten apple isn't something to eat, but it's also not strychnine. Calling every rotten apple strychnine would not just be a mistake because it's wrong, but also because you would soon be unable to identify strychnine.   

       As for the idea, [+]
Voice, Mar 11 2022

       Well said, Voice. It's like calling the firebombing of Dresden "genocide".That incident was many things, none of them good. A massacre? Yes. Murder? Yes. A war crime? Debatable, but probably yes. Genocide, though? Absolutely not. It was an attempt to terrorize and demoralize the Germans into ceasing their attacks. It was not an attempt to exterminate the German people from the face of the earth.
21 Quest, Mar 11 2022

       Actually the fire bombing of Dresden was calculated to do exactly that - exterminate the entire population, and as such it definetly was a genocide. The same tactic was used by the USA in the fire bombing of Tokyo, but here we go again..... the Putin/Trumpster excuse makers squabbling over the meaning of a word while poor people are being vapourised with vacuum bombs and women in the middle of giving birth a have their hospital destroyed. How about showing some humanity and expressing solidarity with those facing Putin's genocidal onslaught? Put yourself and your family in their shoes, then see how that feels. I have artist friends who are there right now.
xenzag, Mar 11 2022

       What if I express solidarity and also don't misrepresent anything? Would that be good enough?
Voice, Mar 11 2022

       Ask that of yourself.
xenzag, Mar 11 2022

       My answer is yes. Yes that is good enough.Putin's (and those who obey him) actions are evil. They constitute multiple violations of international law, and are unconscionable. They are not genocidal, nor can they be reasonably construed as genocidal.
Voice, Mar 11 2022

       View the footage in the last link then sit and think quietly for a while.
xenzag, Mar 11 2022

       Sorry, not running that many scripts just to see a minute of stuff I've probably seen before. You're confusing "bad thing" with "the worst thing I have a word for"
Voice, Mar 11 2022

       I prefer to know what I'm thinking myself without you or anyone else trying to tell me what that is. I come here to post ideas and have those ideas discussed. If I want analysis about myself I turn to my trusted, respected friends. Try dealing with the idea itself. Would you help wrap a statue in your local town/city?
xenzag, Mar 11 2022

       If I could do so without being arrested for vandalism, sure. I reiterate: // As for the idea, [+]//
Voice, Mar 11 2022

       Not for the first time, we see the unintended consequences of Adorno's "Negative Dialectics"; the effect of that work has been to produce an impoverished moral vocabulary, whereby the only way we can say that a person is bad is to say that they're like Hitler and the only way we can say that an action is bad is to say that it's like the Holocaust. Poor old Adorno; I'm pretty sure that's not what he intended.
pertinax, Mar 11 2022

       Pertinax - You can debate the semantics once the war against Ukraine has been won, and your non-Hitler Putin is under secure confinement, but meanwhile, would you help wrap a statue?
xenzag, Mar 11 2022

       + time to donate all our bubblewrap
xandram, Mar 11 2022

       Thank you. I believe that communities could really get enagaged with that, and there is no need for the wrapping to be ugly. It could be decorative, creative, colourful and celebratory - everything that's the direct opposite of Putin's war on the citizens of Ukraine. When you're in a community that's under massive sustained attack, it means a lot to see expressions of solidarity being manifest in other parts of the world. I know this from direct experience.
xenzag, Mar 11 2022

       //would you help wrap a statue?//   

       Yes, on the same terms as [Voice].
pertinax, Mar 11 2022

       Can we make it into an embarrassing shape of Putin standing butt-naked in a compromising position? Maybe french-kissing Kim Jong Un while pleasuring himself to a poster of Boy George?
RayfordSteele, Mar 12 2022

       Creative modifications are naturally welcome.
xenzag, Mar 12 2022

       Now that Putin has been labeled as a war criminal, the extent of his was crimes need to be examined through the lens of the criteria of genocide. [newyorker article in link]
xenzag, Mar 17 2022

       //Genocide means... acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a ... group//   

       By that definition every attempted murder is genocide.
Voice, Mar 18 2022

       I think there's a difference of intent, [Voice]. Although, on the other hand, the particular difference of intent which has been selected for that definition is, in my opinion, a bit disingenuous.
pertinax, Mar 18 2022

       //difference of intent//   

       I fail to see the difference. You can slice and dice attributes as finely or as coarsely as you like.
Voice, Mar 19 2022

       The facts are simple: Putin is deliberately targetting and killing civilians to eliminate them either through death or to cause them flee their country. If he continues to do this for long enough there will be none left. That is a genocide and regardless of his stated objective, that is the outcome given enough time. As Putin is a bare faced liar, it actually doesn't matter what he says, as his actions define him. Attacking a maternity hospital; bombing a theatre containing a thousand people, with the words Children Playing written on the ground outside it in Russian, does the talking for him. Putin is a war criminal; a genocide taking place, and invading Ukraine was the complete opposite of an "act of genius".
xenzag, Mar 19 2022

       Tell me, [xen], is there a murder you would NOT classify as genocide and why?
Voice, Mar 19 2022

       Genocide is about exterminating entire groups of people as an objective. This is what Putin is attempting to do. Every male adult in Ukraine is now armed and fully ready to fight the "genius" invasion, so Putin needs to kill them all in order to win, and that's genocide.
xenzag, Mar 19 2022

       // Every male adult in Ukraine is now armed and fully ready to fight the... invasion, so Putin needs to kill them all in order to win, and that's genocide.//   

       Armed and ready? That makes them combatants. Is killing combatants in a war genocide? Also would you mind defining "groups of people"? A family and a town each exhibit unique cultural traits. Is killing a family genocide? A town?
Voice, Mar 19 2022

       It's about scale. Putin intends to kill everyone in Ukraine. Perhaps you can voice your objections to describing this as a genocide to the War Crimes court when Putin is under arrest and trial. Putin will need all the support he can get in the face of world opinion. We already know one former president will step up and say his invasion and war was a "genius" tactic.
xenzag, Mar 19 2022

       //It's about scale.//   

       See, I though genocide was about wiping out an entire culture or ethnic group, not about killing more than x people.   

       //Putin intends to kill everyone in Ukraine//   

       That's preposterous.   


       Are you being deliberately obtuse? Failing to condemn (specially on one of multiple charges) is not supporting.
Voice, Mar 19 2022

       //That's preposterous// Genocide is never preposterous, but not recognising it in action is shameful, and describing its initiation as an act of genius is so unbelievable that it beggars belief.
xenzag, Mar 19 2022

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       This obsession is unhealthy. Isn't there something at least more contemporary and educational to fixate on? I recommend ship design.
Voice, Mar 19 2022

       Hear the latest xenzag? Trump is on record actually calling Putin a "great man".   

       “Let this great man search his own heart and conscience before he accuses anyone of being a warmonger.”   

       Don't believe me? Google that quote.   

       I might have gotten a fact or two wrong, but that's a real quote. What kind of monster would appear to appease a dictator like that, especially at the beginning of a war?
doctorremulac3, Mar 19 2022

       You're the kind of guy who would walk into a bulimia clinic with pamplets for the new "eat anything and still lose weight" diet plan.
Voice, Mar 19 2022

       LOL.Hmmm. Has that been done before? I think you've got something there.
doctorremulac3, Mar 19 2022


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