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Maybe the rest of you had a different experience, but I don't have any idea when it is exactly when my father first started thinking of me as a man. <tongue-in-cheek>(maybe it was after that operation...)</tongue-in-cheek>. Nor do I myself have anything specific to point to, besides maybe graduation.
And I suspect that the same is true for many kids, enough so that it seems to be a cultural deficiency among modernized nations. Most primitive cultures had some sort of rite-of-passage ceremony, yet we seem to have lost it.
Therefore I propose a knighthood ceremony, with swords, tunics, jugglers, fire-eaters, and lots of food,
and a return to a coat-of-arms. Or perhaps a Gentile's bar mitzvah party at which both the parents and children could agree to start seeing eachother as mutual adults, with a change in responsibilities.
a holiday for the rest of us
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[mrthingy, Apr 22 2002]
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Isn't it usually the first time you get chunderingly drunk. (oh, that's when your friends think you're an adult)
ok, is it the seventh time you promise your parents you're not going to come home *that* drunk again? (er, no.)
I see the problem. But frankly, I couldn't care less when my parents started thinking of me as a grownup. It would only mean they'd start demanding rent! I'm happy with being legally adult. (However, causes problems with moving between country: strangely enough, I was an adult at 16 in Scotland, then I moved to England and became a minor, having to wait a few months before I was 18 and an adult again.) |
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I have yet to have my Father think of me as a man. |
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The two rights of passage (Northern Ontario style): drivers license, loss of virginity. These two usually occur close to each other, when you live in the middle of nowhere you can't get a date without a car. |
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for bristolz and company we need a gender neutral rite of passage. |
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Can't say I've ever came home drunk, as that usually requires alcoholic consumption. |
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Oh, I dunno. A female knight might be kindof interesting... |
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The mystical Age 16, in Britain at least is the right of passage for all males and females. Unless they are gay, in which case its eighteen. |
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One of the wonderful things Bar/Bat Mitzvahs is the large amount of cash the kid gets from everybody. Nepotism set in place for another generation. |
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// I have yet to have my Father think of me as a man. // |
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Same here. And he never will. |
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[waugs]: True, albeit for very different reasons. |
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Albeit. And so it shall remain. |
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My Father knew Lloyd George. |
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Frankly, I think most parents are ready to relent when the child moves out (unless they're not adults themselves). That's probably as close as you'll get in this age to a common, modern ceremony. |
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I had a boyfriend once whose parents MOVED and didn't tell him where they were going! |
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A Foo Mitzvah would be a fun thing for which to invent a set of ritualistic practices. I'm imagining propellor beanies . . . |
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What would the invitations look like? |
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[po] You only had a boyfriend once? |
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just the one whose parents moved without telling him first <g> Oh please bris., don't you start pleeese. |
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"It would be nice if guys of a certain ilk did not have to always be proving that they were men." |
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Perhaps an anti-bar-mitzvah for the moment you enter your second childhood, or for men who act like children and want to make it "official". |
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Much of human believe are really just lines draw on the sand. It only has meaning because everyone agrees that it has the meaning. Only good thing about them are, because it is almost impossible to change everyone's mind after certain believes set in, people can focus their attentions on something better than debate endless on a meanless topic. I mean is 18 year old drunk driver that much more dangerous than a 40 one? Does age always correlated to responsibility? Do all girls start to have period exactly the same number of days after birth? Since nature never draw the line, why do you think people can do a better job? |
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p icky p icky blith mith. |
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<Wonders what "pleurilly" means. Something to do with pleurisy?> |
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we could do with an um pair around here |
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[Meph]: You could be singularly unpaired. Or just single and unpaired, which I believe you are. |
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'Becoming an adult' is just another way of saying 'becoming a miserable old git'. Avoid it like the plague, I say. |
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Good doctor, do you speak from experience? |
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Absolutely! Now, does anyone want to come outside and play in the puddles? |
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A foo mitzvah? <head scratching sound effects> As in a foobar mitzvah maybe? Sort of a "Coming of age, congratulations, now you're screwed like the rest of us" type party? A sort of ying-yang celebration where one goes from being considered a kid and wishing they were older to being considered an adult and wishing they were younger... |
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... RS: you forgot the "and mazel tov" part! |
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