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Murder Meter
Take the test, see how much of a murderer you are. | |
A list of 10 questions asking who you would murder ranging from Adolph Hitler to that guy at McDonalds who didn't give you the right sauce with your McNuggets. Your ranking would be from 0 to 10 based on your answers.
Between those would be 8 other crimes ranging between a genocidal mass murdering
maniac and overworked cashier who was insensitive to your sauce requirements.
Support of murdering people you disagree with is now the majority opinion on the left.
https://www.aol.com...ture-080006119.html
[doctorremulac3, Apr 16 2025]
After this urging by the top Democrat in the Senate, an assassin was arrested at the home of the Supreme Court Judge this Democrat was threatening.
https://www.youtube...watch?v=yu-7L5W6Rew
1939 is repeating itself. Never mind the 3, count them, 3 assassination attempts on the president the people overwhelmingly voted for. The Nazis are here again. New logos, new names, same playbook. [doctorremulac3, Apr 16 2025]
archive copy of prior discussion
https://web.archive...ruck_20Easter_20Egg
on the deleted idea: "Tesla Cyber Truck Easter Egg" [Loris, Apr 16 2025]
Whaddya think, this guy nuts? Haven’t watched it yet but sounds interesting.
https://youtu.be/rcdipvn4KF4
Might be full of it, like I said, only watched a couple of minutes but caught my interest enough to want to watch the rest. [doctorremulac3, Apr 16 2025]
Long-Term Tesla Quarterly Sales Charts & Graphs
https://cleantechni...-graphs-they-sting/
It looks like Tesla sales are down bigly across the line [Voice, Apr 17 2025]
Mostly peaceful cities burning.
https://www.youtube...watch?v=Y1mxJMIIMuE
During the George Floyd riots, police officers across the US sustained injuries, with reports indicating over 900 law enforcement officers were injured. Specifically, a report from the Senate Committee on the Judiciary mentions 277 officer injuries while defending the federal courthouse in Portland, Oregon, and 60 Secret Service officers defending the White House. Not to mention the $2 billion in burned and destroyed buildings. People attacking cops anywhere, including the 174 police officers injured on Jan 6th need to be prosecuted. [doctorremulac3, Apr 17 2025]
Elon on how to power civilization.
https://www.youtube...watch?v=hYH851DjMz4
[doctorremulac3, Apr 17 2025]
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interesting[+] but too simple and short [-]. Furthermore even this simple set of questions doesn't capture the full range of murderousness in the human experience. There are people who would murder the guy who gave them the wrong sauce and also the charming young lady working her way through veterinary school who got the order perfectly and apologized profusely for you having to drive past an empty chip bag because she only spent an hour cleaning up the exterior in her off time. |
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Also there is the question of whether I got caught. You guys never... heard anything about me, right? |
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LOL, uh, hmm. No, we've got complete anonymity here. |
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Maybe I should put up an actual test. |
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Hmm, might be kind of dark though. I like happy ideas, this one might not be salvageable in that regard. |
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I guess the risk with this sort of thing is the common risk of this sort of questionnaire; that people interpret the questions very differently. |
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For example - how exactly are you murdering these people? Does, say, ordering a missile strike on a terrorist headquarters count? |
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// Maybe I should put up an actual test // |
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Would the Federable Gummit be privy to the results? Cuz you know, various three-letter agencies like to keep tabs on certain people, for safety and perhaps even recruitment. |
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I whole-heartedly support all three letter agencies, they're doing a great job. |
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How about that baseball team / tv show / the weather? |
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better (+) - now transfer all of those annotations from my Easter Egg Car or I'm going to take up that murder challenge hahahaha (is that part of the test?) |
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// now transfer all of those annotations from my Easter Egg Car [or else]// |
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There you go xenzag. (link) |
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Thanks for the poll link doc. I agree that these results are disturbing, in terms of the extent of assassinatory justification.
However, I don't agree that it confirms the claim that 'assassination culture' in general is more widespread on the left, because the test itself is enormously biased. If you did a similar poll, but substituted the name of some leftwing politician (perhaps Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Nancy Pelosi or Hillary Clinton? I don't know, pick someone the right reviles), I would predict that the overall trend would be reversed - although I would also expect the level to be rather muted now the Democrats have effectively no political power whatsoever.
Also, it's kind of interesting that -without digging too deeply into it- it seems that a significant fraction of non-leftwing respondents must have considered assassinating Trump or Musk at least slightly justifiable. |
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I think the disconnect we had in the previous discussion was because you were thinking about how people feel about political assassination - but you didn't exactly say that, and I thought we were talking about murder in general.
Both things could independently be true - people on the left talk more about assassination, while people on the right commit more actual murders. And from the data we have, it's also possible both are untrue!
I think it's eminently plausible that - right at the moment - more leftwing Americans are considering assassination of a politician 'at least partially justified' - but also that this flip-flops depending on who is in power.
Conversely, I don't think it's all that likely that it's the leftwing people in rightwing states who are responsible for all those excess murders. Really only because - if it were, I think the right would have noticed and be talking about it. |
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It's certainly the case that there have been an abnormally high number of assassination attempts on Trump - but also, it doesn't seem like these were from particularly left-wing individuals. |
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LOL! Oh man I feel bad applauding your reposting that conversation xenzag took down. But here it is (slow clap) |
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I feel I approached our debate the same way you did, with the assumption that neither of us support murder but it should be discussed. And yes, there are nuts on all sides and they all need to be condemned, but one downside to this discussion is that being much more exciting than talking about trade negotiations, tariffs, taxes, industry and social program funding, it’s gonna take our time away from those other pressing issues that are pretty important. |
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As an example, someone sent me the guy in the link, only watched a few minutes and I’ll check it out later but I’d love to hear your take on what he’s saying. THAT would be more interesting than talking about who’s the most evil, especially sins I don’t think either of us are. |
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It’s a bit wordy and I haven’t checked it out, but if you get a sec, love to hear your take. |
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Okay, I've watched the first 5 minutes, where he talks about tariffs.
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He makes a big deal about how the real world is more complicated than academic theories... but then goes on to give what looks to me like an overly simplistic analysis. |
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The myth he's trying to debunk is that tariffs will increase consumer prices - i.e. they're a 'hidden tax'. |
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The analysis I've seen (which is admittedly not the analysis you'll have seen) was pretty clear that the costs of tariffs get split three ways - between the exporter (in another country), the importer (inside the country, i.e. the USA), and the consumer. In variable proportions, depending on circumstances. |
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He states this himself, but then argues that, tariffs 'likely' won't put up prices for the consumer (much), because "the consumer can't afford to pay that".
So he thinks the costs will largely be split between the exporter and importer only.
I don't think this is how it will pan out - for most goods, at least. The exporter and importer also have monetary constraints - and in a competitive market, these are already stretched somewhere near as far as they can go. |
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If this wasn't the case, then tariffs would be a great idea - we could extract infinite value from imported stuff.
Realistically, if people can't afford something, they simply won't be able to buy it. The seller isn't a charity, they're not (in general) going to give things away at below cost. |
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I think the academics in economics do quite a lot of detailed analysis. They produce charts of supply and demand, and talk about elasticity of supply, and make models of equations to approximate many cases and effects. And then compare them against the world. The theories are robust enough that they can investigate and explain interesting exceptions to the general rules (like the law of supply and demand).
His explanation, on the other hand, is lacking all of that. It looks like wishful thinking. |
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Also, I noticed that his handwriting is worse than mine. That's pretty unusual. |
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Here's my dumb former ghetto kid take. Tariffs are like punches. They're bad, but if somebody's punching you in the face might be okay to punch them back as a way to stop them punching you. |
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I might go ahead and watch the rest of that guy's thing but sounds like you wrapped it up good enough so I'll take your word for it. My mind also tends to wander because I am blessed with attention deficit excellence, that is, a very short attention span. |
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For those who don't know what that's like I'll demonstrate. |
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Here's what a regular person hears: |
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"The key difference between alternating current (AC) and direct current (DC) is the direction of the electrical flow. In DC, the current flows in one direction only, while in AC, the current periodically reverses direction." |
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Here's what those of us with attention deficit excellence hear: |
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(what's with that guy's weird haircut?) |
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(I think academics might wear weird hairdos as like a social strata ranking thing, like "I don't need a haircut for my job. I'm like Einstein.) |
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(Why does he have a schematic of a capacitor on the chalkboard? Oh, maybe that's for another lesson.) |
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(Wonder if he'll do that electricity-hydronics analogy, they should do that with ice cream, make it more interesting. I think ice cream would be the same, but like with more resistance.) |
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(DC) is... (Hmm, is this guy ever gonna get to the point? Reminds me of that dog in the movie who says "Squirrel! Wait... why's everybody taking out their pencils?") |
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Do you make constant annotations referring to murder on halfbakery posts, even on ones about novelty chocolate Easter eggs? |
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Do you regard everyone who's politics are unsympathetic to extreme right wing views as a potential murderer? |
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If you answer YES to these questions, you may need to submit to some form of treatment. [I suggest time spent grooming cats or visiting somewhere like Malaga to experience life in a brilliant chilled out European city - note - for this you will need a passport and to join a very long queue of your escaping fellow citizens as we are deluged with them here in Europe - oh and no automatic weapons allowed or if you go to the UK, no guns at all allowed of any kind] hahahaha |
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Meanwhile chill doc - you really do make me laugh :-) |
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I dunno, xengag. I mean, if you look at the article doc linked here about a poll, a large fraction (~40%) of Americans think destroying Tesla dealerships is at least partially acceptable. More so of left-wing respondents(~58%). And another strand of the poll asked about how justifiable murdering Musk or Trump would be, and got a similar result.
So I imagine doc just had that close to mind, and saw the two concepts as closely related. |
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You and I hadn't seen that poll and didn't immediately make the connection. But that's just... you know, how it is. Now we've figured it out, we can move on, right? |
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Those figures probably go up to at least 90% in the outside world. (that's the rest of the entire world that's NOT the USA) Incidentally Tesla sales have tanked as a direct result of Musk's Nazi salute and enthusiastic expressions of support for fascism. Once your brand is connected to this sort of vile politics of hatred and racism, there's no coming back. |
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I'm no supporter of violence to achieve anything, but it seems like it's built into the DNA of America - ie "we're going to take Greenland by force if necessary" It's no real surprise in the place where there are about ten times as many guns as people, that some of those people have no problem using them to get what they want. It's simply the American way. |
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/Take the test, see how much of a murderer you are./ |
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'Take this written test to tell how good a sailor you are." Or one to tell how good a gymnast you are. How about taking a written test to see how good a juggler you are? Take one to tell how fast you can make your heart beat or how much you love your cat. |
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There is a non-existent relationship between the results of tests like these and actual outcomes. |
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It's a test to see what your views on murder are. Would you kill a person who got your sauce order wrong at McDonald's?
I wouldn't but if you would you'd have a higher score than me. It's not a test of your "murder skills" obviously. |
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//I suggest time spent grooming cats// Got a family, friends and a life, don't need a cat thanks. (or a never ending daily obsession with some public figure) |
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//we can move on, right?// Evidently not. |
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I don't think it is a linear scale, like say how much rain fell on a given day. I think that some people would murder a politician on the opposite wing to themselves in a heartbeat, and then laugh with all their likeminded friends about what a cool murder it was, but they would otherwise volunteer with homeless people etc. Some other people might respect authority, and help homeless people, but murder their own family. Others might murder fast food staff who are not up to the job, but otherwise be upright model citizens. |
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I am not sure how to realistically plot these different murder tendencies. Perhaps we could have a multi-dimensional murder space, a bit like the Political Compass. One axis could be "authority and status" figures. If you would murder Hitler or the Pope, you would score high on this axis. Another could be "closeness genetically or cultrally"; for an evangelical protestant murdering the Pope would score lower on the authority scale and low on the closeness scale maybe. But you see already there are confounding factors, since most people can give the potential murder target a number of confounding attributes, authority, ideology, cultural closeness or foreignness, etc. etc. And what about animals? I have seen some research suggesting that violence against animals (and perhaps even inanimate objects) may be correlated with violence against humans. What about violence short of actual murder? How do we rank a lifetime worth of torture or abuse? |
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I think a large part of the reason those poll results were so apparently high is that they asked people if they thought it was justified to <destroy tesla dealership/murder musk/murder trump> and gave them a seven-point scale, with 1 being totally unjustified and 7 being totally justified.
Then they split that into two bins: 1 and 2-7.
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I've seen that sort of thing before, it seems like a bit of a dark pattern to me. |
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Thanks for digging into that, [Loris]. I wouldn't put that as a hard no myself, and I think Musk is a hero. For example if I were a civil engineer who needed to make an emergency barrier to hold back a flood, or defending my country and the dealership is inhabited by the enemy. |
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Semi related about Teslas, in the past, my niece and nephew when they'd visit would play the Tesla game where on the drive through our town one counts the Teslas on the right side of the car, one on the left. Where I live just going out to dinner with the wife, played a variation of that game going out to a restaurant 6.4 miles away (I checked) and I said we'd see 100 Teslas on the 12.8 mile trip total. Wife said 65. It was 115. |
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Where I live at least it's the number one car by far replacing BMWs (which have been called Break My Windows) I was never a fan unless they were utilizing hydro or nuclear power to supply them. A Tesla charged with a coal fired plant is scary stupid, like "Stop the Earth I want to get off" stupid. Plus I always thought they were super virtue signally from the left ironically. "I'm doing my part so save the planet while you're driving your climate destroying prolemobile." |
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Boy how times have changed. A big portion of America thinks arson and vandalism is okay. Similar to the 2020 "mostly peaceful" protests. (link) |
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To be clear, if I caught somebody on the right engaging in arson, vandalism or violence against people on the left I'd arrest them myself. (And yes, I did make a citizen's arrest once, it is a thing. Guy was getting violent and got him on the ground and restrained him till the cops arrived.) |
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I've had people point out that I get involved when everybody else is turning the other way. Old homeless woman was shivering in the rain near my house once. I was on a date with a beautiful gal but took the time to let the woman stay in my living room instead of freezing to death. Called some shelters but couldn't find anything for her. When I woke up the rain had stopped and she was gone. Anyway at least I tried to help. |
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//A Tesla charged with a coal fired plant is scary stupid// |
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Not at all. Pollution from a coal plant comes out in one place and so can be drastically reduced, and more efficiently vs cars and catalytic converters. Furthermore an electric car is demanding an energy type which can be changed over to something more sustainable: even if it hasn't been done yet it's an essential part of the process. Over time more power will come from renewables (or at least an energy source which will last a few billion years), and with electric cars on the road that conversion is easier. |
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Well I appreciate the other view, but pollution from a coal fired plant circles the globe. |
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That being said I'm all for getting into cleaner coal plant technologies, scrubbers and the like but not if we're closing hydro plant and ignoring 4th generation nuclear power plants. |
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But open the conversation about improving coal plant technology? I'm 100% down with that. |
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Now looking at Elon's plan, all solar power all electric cars, be pretty hard to argue with that. (link) |
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//nuclear// Absolutely. It's unbelievably pants on head retarded or evil to say you want to save the environment while campaigning against nuclear power. My opinion is those people, like certain other groups I won't mention here, have the real intent of just maintaining a permanent grievance so they can stay in power, and they don't care who gets hurt along the way. |
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Yup. Couldn't say it better myself. I do see a little more awareness on the subject coming along. I think Greta Thunberg, the "How dare you!" gal came out in support of nuclear energy, so good for her. |
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Okay, here's one stab at a test: (no pun intended) |
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1. Adolf Hitler.
Crime: Genocide, global war, crimes against humanity
Magnitude: Unquestionably the apex of human evil in modern history |
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2. Serial Killer Who Targeted Strangers.
Crime: Multiple premeditated murders, no remorse
Magnitude: Psychopathic destruction of innocent lives |
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3. Terrorist Who Killed Civilians.
Crime: Mass civilian deaths under state-sanctioned violence
Magnitude: High-level systemic evil, often with religion justification. |
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4. Corrupt CEO Who Stole Billions from Pensions.
Crime: Financial devastation of thousands, no consequences
Magnitude: Indirect but vast suffering; white-collar cruelty |
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5. Drunk Driver Who Killed a Family of Four
Crime: Negligent manslaughter, repeat offender.
Magnitude: Devastating and preventable, but not premeditated |
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6. The Pharmaceutical Executive Who Jacked Up Life-Saving Drug Prices.
Crime: Raised the price of essential medication (e.g., insulin, EpiPens) by 5000%
Impact: Thousands suffered or died because they couldn’t afford treatment
Magnitude: Moderate evil, amplified by reach and malice |
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7. White Collar Hacker Who Stole Millions but Donated It All.
Crime: Theft, vigilantism, ethical gray zone
Magnitude: Intent matters, but still illegal and risky |
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8. Shoplifter Who Steals Diapers and Formula.
Crime: Repeated petty theft motivated by poverty
Magnitude: Technically illegal, but morally sympathetic |
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9. Neighbor’s Kid Who Plays Drums at Midnight.
Crime: Noise pollution, willful ignorance of boundaries
Magnitude: Annoying, but not evil — unless they know you have work at 5am |
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10. Guy at McDonald's Who Forgot Your Sauce.
Crime: Minor inconvenience, probably exhausted
Magnitude: Not evil. He might even be the victim here. |
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I got a 3. I left "Politicians I don't like" off the list because I don't really wanna know. |
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Oddly enough though, I respect people who don't believe in the death penalty. I just write it off as they're a kinder human being than I am, and part of me kind of wishes I could be more like them. |
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Where would a person come on the list who expressed the wish that they had Hitler's generals working for him? |
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Do you ever think about anything besides Donald Trump? |
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But okay, put him on the list. Do you want to murder him? |
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I wouldn't kill Hitler for revenge. I would kill him to save lives. So that not being murder, really, I guess I'm a 0 |
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//T word// Please no one feed the trolls, regardless of their political affiliations |
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Wow, okay, interesting and a good point. Killing to prevent death is definitely different than killing for revenge if it's not going to change anything. |
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Re the T question, agreed. Cheerfully withdrawn. Let's not go there. |
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//Do you ever think about anything besides Donald Trump?// What makes you use his name and not anyone elses who openly admires Hitler? |
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Because that's who you were referring to, he's all you ever think about. |
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Please take your obsession elsewhere. |
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And it's "else's" not "elses". |
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You just can't bring yourself to say it, can you? The reality is that it was Trump who said he admires Hitler and wanted to have his generals. He should be at the top of anyone's list of someone obsessed with murder. After all, the person he admires most was one of the worst mass murderers in human history. It's totally incredible to me that you are in complete denial that your country now has a deranged Hitler admiring lunatic running amok and steering America towards a disaster. My many friends and relatives there are living in a state of abject terror. |
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See what you've done? And you did it on purpose. If you really wanted to withdraw your comment you could have deleted or at least amended it. You may not be a troll but you're acting like one. I'm not saying you need to cater to the hypersensitive, but you're stirring up shit on purpose. Stop it. Please. Let the hypersensitive person have the last word and let's get back to explosions and custard. Please? |
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Hypersensitive. Interesting word for it. |
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But okay, let's all stop bringing up Donald Trump on every post no matter what the original subject is. |
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