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This symbolic adornment consists of a flag cut from flameproof fabric to appear already partly burnt. A slow burning wick is clipped to the ragged edge, and can easily be replaced as needed. Optional flagpole with oil reservoir also available.
Great for outdoor mood lighting while strumming out songs
about THEM.
flag burning case(s)
http://www.njsbf.co...agle/spring04-3.cfm
[calum, Jun 09 2005]
World Bank Flag
http://www.flag.de/FOTW/flags/int-wb.html
[wagster, Jun 09 2005]
IMF Flag
http://www.flag.de/.../flags/uno-imf.html
[wagster, Jun 09 2005]
Shameless linkwhoring
THEM
[moomintroll, Nov 17 2005]
John Gerrard
https://m.youtube.c...pp=0gcJCRsBo7VqN5tD
Flag [xenzag, Aug 26 2025]
Executive order : Prosecuting burning of the American Flag
https://www.whiteho...-the-american-flag/
Covers all desecration, not just burning [Loris, Aug 27 2025]
Trump's executive order.
https://www.foxnews...-from-conservatives
Guy's already been arrested for burning a flag. He'll probably get the same penalty as burning a cardboard box on the street which is appropriate. The Supreme Court already ruled on this in '89. [doctorremulac3, Aug 27 2025]
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Does [Detly] dare answer and risk being attacked with fishbones? Find out next week. |
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Oh, right - the important part! Any of them. Including those of the OPEC, the UN and CERN. |
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I think it would be amusing to invent a fictitious flag and burn it in the street. I have a suspicion that no-one would call you on it. |
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I think there would be a degree of irony in a flameproof OPEC flag. |
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There was a court case in the US in about 1989 about whether or not flag burning (specifically the stars-and-stripes, I guess) was free speech, and therefore protected by the Constitution. Anyone know the outcome? |
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You'd better watch out - it might inspire some new messianic religion. |
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//it might inspire some new messianic religion// No, for that you'd have to have a perpetually burning bush (or Bush).
Thanks for the link [calum] - a real long-runner. |
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Lets here less about burning any Bush's.
Thank you. |
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//I think it would be amusing to invent a fictitious flag and burn it in the street. I have a suspicion that no-one would call you on it.// |
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Use the World Bank or IMF flag. Nobody knows what these look like. I think they keep them secret just so people don’t burn them. |
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I lived in a city where city hall allows anything such as this to go on. It is a N.A. model of a successful metropolis. |
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You have to be careful that the burning flag doesn't touch the sidewalk and leave a black mark as I recall. The people who would make a comment were stuffed shirts, about to make a huge deal with that particular country. |
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I don't like the burning of flags in general. A flag is symbol for a country, a people, a culture and a history. When you burn it you state that you hate all of this. It is sad to do this. bad for karma. I bone this idea. |
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A public library shouldn't be rented out to a foreign film crew to shoot their next sausage movie of the week. Build a set cheapskates or I'll burn your flag. |
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Flag of the ACLU ----- *snap ** crackle *** pop ** + |
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Heh, [wagster]. I guess the IMF flag would be easily recognizable since it says IMF on it. I’ve seen these flags before (from my International banking days), but thought it peculiar that they were never flown outdoors. |
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Could be useful for effigies too. It looks like some regions must go through a lot of effigies, and this would be an economical solution. |
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Yeah you'd think they would spend some of their flag budget on food or water. |
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It's against the law to burn "a flag" in America now. Take a look at John Gerrard's burning flag (link) which is a 100% virtual creation, and imagine how that law can ever be applied to the digital world. John is a brilliant artist who attended art college where I teach, and I count him as producing some of the most thought provoking creative work that confronts contemporary issues at a deep level. |
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//It's against the law to burn "a flag" in America now// |
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Citation, please. To the law in question not a clickbait article that takes something out of context. |
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I thought the plan was to ignore these never ending Trump obsession posts. Just as well, I miss the counter trolling. |
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He’s referring to an executive order the center of his world signed. Not gonna stand, but Trump sure is feeding the trolls, they can barely conceal their joy. Only thing that could make them happier is the Ukraine war peace process collapsing. Millions of human lives being brutally snuffed out in exchange for being able to make fun of Trump? They’d be like “Hell yes! Teeheehee!” |
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I had an idea years ago to have a fireproof American flag fed with kerosene from the flagpole when this subject was being debated way back when, call it “the flames of freedom” or something. Symbolic of the resilience of what the flag represents, but saw it was already basically suggested here. Already bunned this. |
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I never once mentioned the T word, yet up you pop with a tantrum of rage. It's very boring and puts people off. Have a look at John's work and be glad there's such brilliant pieces being made that you never knew existed until now. |
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I imagine this is what xenzag is talking about (link - executive order). Is whitehouse.gov official enough?
(Also not a lawyer, but from here executive orders seem pretty much like laws with respect to how they're treated.) |
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This idea got me thinking about having a long-duration actually burning flag - which would be a roll of cloth which was gradually paid out.
Flags with horizontal stripes could go on arbitrarily long. The very common three vertical stripe format would be okay - but they'd switch between different theoretical countries. I don't think there's a good set of country flags you could switch between to always be burning a country's flag.
Maybe you could do flags with decorative elements by having a non-flammable patch which ran in front of the main part - but that feels a little like cheating. |
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Yes.... a type of conveyor belt running between two flag poles would do it. Meanwhile, I wonder how it's possible to define what a "flag" is, or even what "burning" means? I mean if I project the image of flames unto an American flag, is that breaking the new law? And what happens if I burn an American flag, but it's one with the incorrect number of stars on it? Is that flag an American flag in the legal definition of that particular flag? |
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This is regarding Donald Trump's executive order. |
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Link's not working, I put another one up. |
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"The "American flag" is legally defined by 4 U.S. Code § 1 and Executive Order 10834, which specify its design, components (50 stars, 13 stripes), and construction. The term "flag of the United States" specifically refers to the physical flag itself, made from any substance or size, but it excludes depictions or uses of the flag in landscaping or decorative elements like paint or lights"
AI answer. This means that a flag with 51 stars and 12 stripes is NOT an American flag and you can legally do whatever you want with it or to it. |
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//Link's not working, I put another one up.// |
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For some reason I have the annoying habit of getting the url and description the wrong way round. I swapped them so it should work now.
It's a different link to yours, doc, and I think it should be immune to claims of being clickbait. |
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Who said it was clickbait? It’s another Trump rant, which okay I guess as long as people are free to respond. Gets pretty boring having the same subject brought up constantly though. |
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Guess the new plan to turn the HB into the Trumpbakery is to constantly bring up the subject without mentioning his name. Reminds me of the guy who put sunblock on his face and robbed a bank thinking the cameras couldn't see him. |
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Anyway, us non-cultists aren't sheep so we occasionally disagree on stuff, a very hard concept for the hive mind left to fathom. |
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Flag burning is simply tiresome and uncreative. The reverse action would be much more inventive and challenging ie the construction of a new flag from a palette of preburnt materials. |
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//Who said it was clickbait?// |
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No-one, don't worry - I thought your article was fine.
But Voice wanted "the law in question not a clickbait article that takes something out of context." I didn't want to provide any wriggle-room. |
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FYI, executive orders are not treated as law. For example, no district attorney will prosecute someone for burning a flag under an executive order. |
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The operational part of the order in question is: |
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In cases where the Department of Justice or another executive department or agency (agency) determines that an instance of American Flag desecration may violate an applicable State or local law, such as open burning restrictions, disorderly conduct laws, or destruction of property laws, the agency shall refer the matter to the appropriate State or local authority for potential action. |
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In other words, if you burn a flag at a protest and the federal government has enough extra manpower to care (or if it makes the national news, probably) they'll look for other relevant laws to prosecute under, making it slightly more de-facto (not de jure) illegal as long as Trump is president. State laws are the usual place for such things as disorderly conduct, so this has less power than you might think. |
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Theoretically there would be no difference between the federal government referring the matter to local authorities and the local authorities finding out another way. In reality it depends on how much the DA wants to suck up to the federal government, possibly in return for support in other areas. |
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Since another beautiful day at the HB's been Trumpatized guess I'll throw in my two cents. |
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This dumb executive order? Good. In lieu of Democrats doing anything right, which I'm not holding my breath for, maybe the Republicans screwing up can balance things out. My main concern is the Democrats being so out of control and useless we're gonna loose the checks and balances of a two party system. Once one party has all the power because the other tried to get votes with stupid stuff like mandating sex changes for kids without the parents being notified, never ending wars trying to civilize Europe, (Maybe we'll get it right the 5th time.) and various other lamebrain ideas, now we have a de facto one party system and then we're screwed. Birth control outlawed as well abortion in cases of rape and incest, homosexuality criminalized, criticizing the one party in power resulting in arrest etc etc. |
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Then I'd have to change my registration from Libertarian to Democrat and might actually have to deal with these nutjobs on a regular basis. |
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But hey, you do what you gotta do. |
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"come on baby light my flag, try to set the stripes on fire" I'm certain Morrison would have approved. |
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within your previous comment - a lot of which I must admit I don't fully comprehend, my eye settled on this phrase: |
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//trying to civilize Europe,// |
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I /think/ you're talking about the war in Ukraine?
If so, perhaps you could explain further.
Because this looks very much like the Russian narrative (which is, approximately, ::Ukraine is full of nazis and abused children and we need to invade to stop that::).
And I think that is very much a lie; a disingenuous justification for a war of aggression on their part. |
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It also runs counter to a certain American talking point that Europe is /too/ civilised; that is, it doesn't spend enough on its own military. Which has been, I think, justified by recent history - although, of course, the reason that was the case was because it suited America for it to be that way. |
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So I am curious what you intended by that. |
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//trying to civilize Europe// hahahaha - The Flinstones are coming, bringing the secret of how to make fire. |
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//trying to civilize Europe,// = "Because this looks very much like the Russian narrative (which is, approximately, ::Ukraine is full of nazis and abused children and we need to invade to stop that::)." |
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Nope. Not even close. Interesting how you edited my full statement too. How come you cut out the first part? |
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I knew this would happen back when Democrat (suprise) Bill Clinton talked the Ukraine into giving up its nuclear arsenal. I said this would lead to them being invaded by Russia but they didn't listen, but then again I don't remember them asking me. I also would have told them "Announce their entry into NATO AFTER IT'S BEEN COMPLETED! and make it very clear that this pact is defensive only and welcome signing a non aggression pact with the former Soviet Union. But do it quickly as now is the time, Reagan and the Americans won the cold war for you, take advantage of it while you can. |
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Russia is evil, always has been and Europe needs to stop depending on us, the US for its defense against it. We'll sell you the best weapons but not one more drop of American blood should be spilled to civilize Europe like we did in WW1, WW2, the cold war and this latest one you could have prevented. |
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Telegraphing the possible entry into NATO (that I've supported for decades now) without just doing it is what allowed this invasion to happen. So again, Europe fucks up and says "Evil America! Come help us out! We screwed up again!" |
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But I admire your bravery for gearing up and hitting the front lines. When do you ship out? |
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(trumpzag) //teeheehee - The Flinstones (Americans) are coming, bringing the secret of how to make fire.// |
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No, just the airplane, light bulb, fiber optics, first radio transmission, telephone, transistor, GPS, internet, computers, AC electricity, space rocket, laser, atom and hydrogen bomb, nuclear power reactor, microwave oven, air conditioning, microchip, radio tube, record player, anesthesia, barcode, video game, smart phone, etc etc. |
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Ironic how you use American inventions to spout your hatred of America. |
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Hahaha - all spoken in English, which we invented for you to save your throat from all of that grunting. |
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Yes, we ascended from you guys, and monkeys before that. (And we thank them for the opposing thumbs.) |
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We'll try to protect you both, but please try to be less stupid. (Yelling at the monkey) "NO! NO! THAT'S POISON! DON'T PUT THAT IN YOUR MOUTH!!" |
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We even invented gravity for you to stop you floating around in your caves. |
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// DON'T PUT THAT IN YOUR MOUTH!!"// No, inject it into your veins if you see the word BLEACH on the container. hahaha |
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Still believing the injecting bleach hoax eh? |
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I guess living in a fantasy worlds can be more comfortable than dealing with the challenges of reality. |
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Okay, you've had your fun politicizing the HB for a few days, let’s get back to just sharing creative ideas without the hate for a while eh? |
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//Interesting how you edited my full statement too. How come you cut out the first part?// |
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I cut almost everything! I just wanted to highlight the part I was asking about. I was actually more worried about cutting the following than the previous. But I decided that what you thought the four previous attempts were wasn't that important. |
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//I knew this would happen back when Democrat (suprise) Bill Clinton talked the Ukraine into giving up its nuclear arsenal. I said this would lead to them being invaded by Russia but they didn't listen, but then again I don't remember them asking me. I also would have told them "Announce their entry into NATO and make it very clear that these are defensive only and welcome signing a non aggression pact with the former Soviet Union. But do it quickly as now is the time, Reagan and the Americans won the cold war for you, take advantage of it while you can.// |
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In retrospect, and from exactly now, that definitely looks like a mistake. But in the context of the time I'm not sure it was - letting them keep their nukes might also have had very serious problems. Ukraine back then wasn't the country it is now. Corruption was rife, and the concern was that bombs might go AWOL.
And similarly letting them into NATO might well have been problematic. |
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//Russia is evil, always has been and Europe needs to stop depending on us, the US for its defense against it. We'll sell you the best weapons but not one more drop of American blood should be spilled to civilize Europe like we did in WW1, WW2, the cold war and this latest one you could have prevented.// |
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No-one (apart from perhaps the occasional loony) is asking Americans to fight. Implying they are betrays your points.
And again with the "civilise Europe". You realise that doesn't make sense, right?
WWI and WWII could arguably be called civilising Europe, at least in part - Germany and Italy being Axis powers. Although I understand that Russia was also complicit in the early stages, and of course there were other powers involved. The cold war was essentially the USA vs Russia, with Europe being largely a bystander. As America wanted.
And the current conflict is - Russia attacks Europe. It's not Europe being uncivilised at all, it's the exact opposite. |
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I thought you might be thinking of the various internal conflicts Europe has had over the years. But apparently not. America basically ignored them I suppose. Nevermind. |
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//So again, Europe fucks up and says "Evil America! Come help us out! We screwed up again!"// |
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To be fair, America did promise it would. (And the UK also promised it would - I'd like it to do more than it is doing, but at least it's been consistently trying.)
And Russia promised it would respect the borders, so at least we know which country's the uncivil one. |
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Sorry, you guys are on your own. We'll sell you weapons but we're not dying for you anymore. |
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In closing I will hold aloft "The Golden Sphincter Award" that I've earned for having insisted on having the last word, for it is written: |
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"He who must haveth the last word shall thus be deemed "The Biggest Asshole" and therefore be anointed with "The Golden Sphincter Award." (Proudly holds the trophy high having insisted on having the last word.) "Let none taketh it from thee." |
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On 23/02/22 who described Russian President Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine as “genius” and “savvy,” in a televised interview? It's a simple question but here's a clue: his Russian asset name is Krasnov. |
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(Hangs head in sadness, hands Golden Sphincter Award to Trumpzag.) |
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I have a self-referential logic problem for you, [dr3]; the only way you can present this award is by annotating - in which case, unless someone else comes to your rescue (you're welcome), you're still holding the award yourself, are you not? |
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I read this entire thread thinking I would learn something. |
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Good point pert, I left out that the final word needs to be regarding the Halfbakery destroying Trump cult obsession, like buying into the Trump being a Russian spy lie (as alleged by a Russian agent) right after he agreed to send billions of dollars worth of weapons to the Ukraine and threatened 100% tariffs not on just Russia, but any country that trades with Russia unless Putin stops the war. (So sorry, you weren't eligible just making a non-Trump obsessed comment.) |
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As far as the final poster conundrum, noting that you're handing the award to the latest asshole doesn't count. |
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But in this case, I shall proudly take the award back. I want to thank the Trump cult for making this award possible. |
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(Holds up the Golden Sphincter Award for being the biggest asshole having to have the last word about Donald Trump.) |
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Musical lock – Opens only if you play the right musical piece in your own personal style. |
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