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Wildlife Free Zones

Free TO wildlife, not free OF wildlife.
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Chernobyl has been a roaring success for biodiversity, conservation & wildlife.

We should have more.

So lets replicate it.

[No! Not like that! Put that uranium back where you found it]

Just declare suitably large zones where people aren't allowed.

Accept perhaps the odd documentary maker (only those with medical certification of oddness need apply) or the occasional ecologist (not to be confused with the greater spotted permanent ecologist) issued with special permits.

If it helps keep them out we can just 'tell' people there's been a nuclear accident.

It doesn't have to be true.

Skewed, Aug 24 2021

where people aren’t https://www.nationa.../where-people-arent
[xandram, Aug 24 2021]

Eben Byers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eben_Byers
He loved Radithor right up until his jaw fell off [a1, Aug 25 2021]

Rewilding https://en.wikipedi...nservation_biology)
[bs0u0155, Aug 25 2021]

Mailbox Baseball https://www.youtube...watch?v=BxYq0FvBo5M
[Skewed, Aug 26 2021]

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       I like the idea, but people always want to go where they aren’t supposed to go. I think it’s just human nature, but an attempt can be made. Don’t feed the animals this bun. +   

       linked a map showing good places to start because there are already less people.
xandram, Aug 24 2021
  

       I have long advocated the poisoning with radioactive material large areas of land to deter people from ever going there. Some wildlife will suffer but only a tiny percentage compared to that which would be harmed should some scum companies like Kraft or Monsanto or Nestle get loose with their decimating palm oil forests or toxic GM Frankenstein crops.
xenzag, Aug 24 2021
  

       Bah, you think that would stop anyone? Fudging the paperwork on sources is easy.
a1, Aug 24 2021
  

       Hard to get rid of radioactivity in your products though and who would buy them once the message spread, even if it wasn't totally true? Denying it will only keep the story alive. Refusing to discuss it means you have something to hide. No matter what, one pass of a large crop spraying aircraft loaded with low level nuclear waste contaminated water and it's curtains for a large area re any current or future development.
xenzag, Aug 24 2021
  

       //one pass of a large crop spraying aircraft loaded with low level nuclear waste contaminated water and it's curtains for a large area re any current or future development.//   

       We need to stop living in fear.
Voice, Aug 25 2021
  

       // who would buy (radioactive or irradiated* products) ? //   

       Stupid people. Anti-mask, anti-vax aren’t the only ones. There are an endless supply of others waiting to become the next Eben Byers (link).   

       (*late edit just for [Voice], see subsequent anno)
a1, Aug 25 2021
  

       How about people who know the difference between irradiated and radioactive?
Voice, Aug 25 2021
  

       Radioactive vs irradiated? Yeah, I went back and changed the wording just for you. Could go either way though. [xenzag]’s original scenario was just spraying water containing low-level radioactive waste over a large area. The area would be irradiated for sure and that would present a problem for anyone working the land. But whether or not produce would become radioactive would depend on uptake (how much of the waste was incorporated into the plants) and maybe neutron activation (may or may not happen, based on what was in the waste products).
a1, Aug 25 2021
  

       No [bs0], not rewilding, particular not in the more extreme manner imagined by the econazis who are most vociferous in its favour, no corridors or reintroductions of apex predators or beavers are proposed, merely areas with a permanent fallow status, safe zones for wildlife.   

       We should give nature safe spaces sure, somewhere it can replenish itself & develop new species in peace & they should ideally be large enough to allow non-migratory large mammal species sufficient range to avoid in-breeding issues of course, but anything that wants to migrate across hundreds of miles of valuable arable land can go stuff itself ;p   

       If anything I see this is an alternative to the most common image of rewilding, a way to preserve nature without going to those extremes.
Skewed, Aug 25 2021
  

       How is this different than the existing and rather fashionable idea of rewilding <link>?   

       Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the concept. I always thought a fair few ex-industrial towns in northern England could be encouraged to remove themselves and the Lake District, Peak District and N. York. Moors could all be linked up into one large national park.
bs0u0155, Aug 25 2021
  

       //How is this different than the existing and rather fashionable idea of rewilding// I saw your link & I just told you above, read :)   

       It's probably a matter of perception & degree but some people I'm sure will consider it to be 'exactly' the same, but I still say it's not.   

       Yeah UK was where I was thinking of (seeing as that's me too) .. was imagining something like local councils being required to set aside a small % of their land area, perhaps with a public access area around that where people can enjoy the wildlife spilling from it & possibly a surrounding industry free organic farming zone to help avoid pollution & such leaching into it.   

       All one contiguous lump of course or it doesn't work, if their lump is adjacent & joined to a neighbouring councils so much the better.   

       But no corridors, if anything I'd consider reproductive isolation to be a bonus, as it gives a better chance of species variety developing.
Skewed, Aug 25 2021
  

       //species variety developing// Aha! there we go, the difference is probably best defined by the difference in philosophy & intent.   

       Rewilders (in general) want to return nature to a snapshot of what it was at an arbitrary point in the past, & then freeze it there.   

       I want to provide nature with safe places to develop & grow, to (hopefully) produce new species (or breeds) some of which might share the world we've made with us more successfully than their forebears, so a bunch of little species-creches if you will.
Skewed, Aug 25 2021
  

       //But no corridors, if anything I'd consider reproductive isolation to be a bonus,// Maybe that would work if you're thinking of field mice, but the linking of areas with corridors/bridges etc. id to get the size above thresholds required for some of the more interesting species. And it seems you're against the interesting ones!   

       //anything that wants to migrate across hundreds of miles of valuable arable land can go stuff itself//   

       Valuable arable land stops at around Birmingham. Above there, you've got some great dairy country on the flat bits and some damp sheep clinging to the hillsides above. Throw in extra trees, some deer, moose, wolves and some of the less dangerous bears and things would be a lot more interesting. Also, if you want species variety, you have to provide selective pressure. The lack of wolves in the Eastern US means we have vast numbers of deer controlled largely by them jumping in front of cars.   

       //nature to a snapshot of what it was at an arbitrary point//   

       There's the question of what's really wild. Left to nature, England would likely be coast-to-coast deciduous forest with a few stony peaks jutting out and considerable mosquito-infested wetlands around the edges. We can do better than that.   

       Walking in the Peak/Lake district is a much better experience than, for example, walking around in the mountains of Vermont. There, you spend all day on trails deep in a dark tree-corridor with the very occasional peak that affords a view - of the tops of more trees. Managed nature looks better, at least IMHO, and continuous forest represents something of a fire risk nowadays. Although that's unlikely in NW English conditions.
bs0u0155, Aug 25 2021
  

       //Maybe that would work if you're thinking of field mice//   

       You may be overestimating the needs, around 40 square miles (less than 6.4 miles a side) of woodland is more than 25,000 acres which is enough to support 1,000 deer.   

       That's just a little further than across the built on bits of Colchester at it's widest point / easily done if 2 counties combine their patches on their joint border & in some places it would be feasible for 3 to combine their patches .. or were you underestimating how big I thought they should be?   

       That should be plenty big enough, Google the 50/500 rule.
Skewed, Aug 25 2021
  

       I say we just train the migratory deer to run along the roads, avoid traffic, and use rest stops.
Voice, Aug 26 2021
  

       I can see that leading to a new seasonal variant of mailbox baseball <link> the point is to keep them safe, away from humans.
Skewed, Aug 26 2021
  

       I still favor reintroducing wolves to Rock Creek Park in DC to keep the deer (and jogger) population in check, so lets forget the human free, just limit the weapons the humans can carry.
MechE, Aug 26 2021
  

       //keep the deer (and jogger) population in check,//   

       It might cause enough selective pressure to create human joggers faster than wolves, which would be a boon for the US olympic team.
bs0u0155, Aug 26 2021
  

       //I still favor reintroducing wolves to Rock Creek Park in DC to keep the deer (and jogger) population in check//   

       The problem with wolves is their reputation for successful jogger population control far exceeds their real success rate.   

       I recommend something larger, bears perhaps, one of the bigger varieties.
Skewed, Aug 27 2021
  
      
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