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carrier shell

a decoy aircraft carrier
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This ship would consist of a huge metal shell that looks just like an aircraft carrier. It would also have a battery with which to put out electronic noise to seem more like a real carrier. Speakers in the bottom give it the same acoustic signature.
Voice, Jul 17 2010

Inland decoy aircraft carrier http://www.chinasma...building-wuhan.html
[mouseposture, Jul 17 2010]

Enterprise http://0.tqn.com/d/.../loch_ness_1_lg.jpg
successfully disguised as Loch Ness Monster [xenzag, Jul 18 2010]

Winston Churchill's Toyshop http://www.amazon.c...8433&pf_rd_i=468294
SOE's "Q Section". [8th of 7, Jul 18 2010]

The Secret War http://www.amazon.c...d=1279476961&sr=1-2
The story of the "Wheezers and Dodgers" [8th of 7, Jul 18 2010]


       This sounds like a brilliant idea.   

       As I understand it, decoy ducks have been used for centuries; this should work every bit as well. [+]
MaxwellBuchanan, Jul 17 2010

       Aircraft carriers are usually surrounded by planes and other ships, so the decoy might not be effective without lots of other decoys; also, their construction, launching, port calls etc. are typically rather public. Wouldn't this idea work rather better with submarines?
mouseposture, Jul 17 2010

       Well, stealth is not the goal here, is it?
Grogster, Jul 17 2010

       [Grogster] Well, if you postulate a carrier-group's worth of decoy planes and ships, fake launching, port calls etc., then, yes, I agree with you.   

       But a carrier's got a large crew. You're going to need fake sailors to line up on the deck when the ship sails into port, plus fake wives and children to wave to them, fake prostitutes reporting to (real) enemy intelligence agents about the sailors' pillow talk ... and so on.   

       Submarines have smaller crews, often travel alone, make fewer calls at foreign ports (I think), and are normally secretive in their comings & goings, so I think the decoy idea works better for them -- 'cause you only need the decoy, not so much of the extra stuff.
mouseposture, Jul 17 2010

       I was thinking along the lines of a participant in a carrier group in times of war.
Voice, Jul 18 2010

       If you start with a carrier group, and then add several inflatable carrier decoys it could work well enough to spread out attacks.   

       Use an inflatable/water filled design with a mylar/metalized shell to produce the radar return. Add the noise generation and radio decoys as in the original idea. A relatively small motor and steering system should be enough to keep up with the carrier group, and the entire thing should pack down small enough for a supply tender to carry several when not under threat.
MechE, Jul 18 2010

       A scheme somewhat similar to this was tried during WWI, at the behest of none other than Winston Churchill (Then First Lord of the Admiralty).   

       Passenger liners had their upperworks removed, and replaced by a facsimilie of a battleship, often constructed in wood and canvas.   

       The idea was to decoy German subamrines into attacking a "flotilla" which would be of no strategic value but would be heavily defended.   

       The scheme caused a fair amount of puzzlement and nervousness in the High Seas Fleet as the purpose of the dummy fleet was not understood. This may in itself have been a positive result. But taking into account the cost and complexity of the operation, it did not produce any worthwhile return.
8th of 7, Jul 18 2010

       Could a real aircraft character not be repainted to look like (for example) the Loch Ness Monster? See pic in link of result of the USS Enterprise carrier following camouflage repainting, and some modifications.
xenzag, Jul 18 2010

       //See pic in link of result of the USS Enterprise carrier following camouflage repainting, and some modifications.//   

       Dear god! The warp drives must be getting soaked!
MaxwellBuchanan, Jul 18 2010

       [8th of 7] You know, when I read this, my first thought was: "I bet the British did this already. It's characteristicly half-baked and too-clever-by-half, the sort of thing Winston Churchill would propose." But I got the dates wrong: I thought it'd be WWII.
mouseposture, Jul 18 2010

       The Enemy would catch on to this right away and ignore it.   

       At which point a fleet of real destroyer ships would emerge from a secret hatch in the fake carrier's hull.
swimswim, Jul 18 2010

       [mp], read "Winston Churchill's Toyshop" and "The Secret War". The things that were actually tried were so outlandish as to make them incredible in a fictional context, from the notorious "exploding rats" to exploding bicycle pumps, aerial mines suspended from balloons and air-drop equipment that used retro rockets instead of parachutes ....   


       The US may have cornered the market in high tech and big-budget conspiracy theories, but if you want the real deal off-the-wall "weid shit", the British specialise in breeding a totally unique type of very clever eccentric loony for just this job.
8th of 7, Jul 18 2010

       [8] "The Yanks have more tanks, but the Brits have more brains: we can win this war with carboard & string."
mouseposture, Jul 18 2010

       //read "Winston Churchill's Toyshop"//
Is that the one with the anecdote about buying up a small town's stocks of aniseed balls and condoms? I read that as a teenager - a very good read.
coprocephalous, Jul 19 2010

       No, you're thinking of "Clement Atlee's Sweetshop", but the confusion is entirely understandable.
8th of 7, Jul 19 2010


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