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Confounding Irony Continuum

Reduce irony to the absurd.
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10. Extremely Ironic - Identify something nonironic as ironic (or ironic as nonironic)

9 Ayn Rand's objectivism instructs to follow your own reason in interpreting reality.

8 A pop culture song that asks the listener to consider meaning of irony.

7 there is no seven.

6 British landowners should eat Irish babies.

5 Ironic - the meaning is opposed by the expression

4. The tragic car accident memorial distracts drivers.

3. The lovers were having a quarrel

2. I was stabbed by a safety pin.

1. The halfbaked idea already exists.

0 -Not ironic - Identify something ironic as ironic

rcarty, Sep 29 2013


       //Extremely Ironic - Identify something nonironic as ironic//   

       Identifying something nonironic as ironic would not be ironic. I'm English - I know irony.
MaxwellBuchanan, Sep 29 2013

       Well I have a dictionary, so I know irony means "discrepancy between the expected and actual state of affairs"   

       So, if someone says "isn't that ironic!" And it's not therefore the entire scene is.   

       You have also validated this idea by identifying "identifying something noniroic as ironic" as non ironic you are as the summary says "reducing irony to the absurd.
rcarty, Sep 29 2013

       Would this be "Erstemonde's Dictionary of Unreliable Definitions"?
MaxwellBuchanan, Sep 29 2013

       Oxford English dictionary.   

       Pretty ironic that someone English didn't know the definition.   

       Although consulting my continuum... Not very ironic at all.
rcarty, Sep 29 2013

       Can we please find a seven? There must be a seven.   

       Well that's the irony, it says there's no seven, but yep yes there is.
rcarty, Sep 30 2013

       Can't argue with math.   

       Now that's a doubly ironic response 1) you can argue with math 2) the example is not math
rcarty, Sep 30 2013

       I should probably just stick to folding then.   

       ^ Origami, irony ... close enough.   

       Baked! From the wikipedia/irony:   

Tim Conley cites the following: "Philip Howard assembled a list of seven implied meanings for the word "ironically", as it opens a sentence:

       * By a tragic coincidence
* By an exceptional coincidence
* By a coincidence of no importance
* You and I know, of course, though other less intelligent mortals walk benighted under the midday sun
* Oddly enough, or it's a rum thing that
* Oh hell! I've run out of words to start a sentence with."
spidermother, Sep 30 2013

       This is meta-irony. Considering the recursivity of applying a label to itself, Hofstadter I'm sure would have something sensible to say on this.
Zeuxis, Sep 30 2013

       I am more interested in another man named Hofstader that draws intellectual esteem from having the same name.
rcarty, Sep 30 2013

       Aha! I've finally figured out what that sick Norwegian bastard's psychosis was! Thanks, [r-cart].
Alterother, Sep 30 2013

       //So, if someone says "isn't that ironic!" And it's not therefore the entire scene is.//   

       It's like one of those math-logic problems : "if x belongs to set y which contains all sets," bla bla bla close book walk out of lecture. Good times.   

       Can we define the pinacle of irony being that as language evolves, and people's intelligence devolves, the in-use definition of irony is and will shift to the point that this situation isn't ironic any more?
Custardguts, Oct 01 2013

       A simple measure for irony is how meaningless something is, or how *much* meaningllessness the communicative action produces. Irony is one of the most ironic things there is, but as long as there is an implosion of meaning occuring irony can be detected.
rcarty, Oct 01 2013

       Most Greek linguistics terms can be understood by referring to the etymology (e.g. analogy - 'concordance of form', hence, the modern usage is an extension, by analogy , of the literal meaning; which is helpful and cool). But irony, one of the most difficult words to define, ironically comes from a Greek word meaning irony.
spidermother, Oct 01 2013

       Analogical and ironical are two separate forms of reason. Swift's satire modest proposal, is ironic In it's sarcasm, but unironic in its analogy. British eating Irish babies at the time would not have been an ironic thing to do, feeding the babies would have been pretty ironic! However the work is ironic because he attaches an implosive device to the literalism. That something ironic like a satire ends up being more meaningful means that the intellectual detonation of the implosive device, resulted in an explosion of profundity (an immodest opposal!). Sometimes like when the monument to the tragic car accident causes a car accident, the explosion of meaning is simply how absurd it all is! Or the anti-protestors protesting in the manner if he protestors, and one placard saying "this is not a a sign!". Swift draws an analogy with his ironic statement, that isn't at all ironic, but the power of finding two analogous things, in this example one type of greedy inhuman cruelty and another feasting upon babes tender loins and using one as an exemplar for the other "in a modest proposal" is simply ironic because he is not proposing he is opposing the entire analogy! The meaning is therefore opposed by the expression. Whereas analogy is "boat is to stream as car is to road", irony is a uncomplementary relationship not between two things, but one that occurs within a single thing. Or as youy say analogy is accordance of form comparatively, then irony is discordance of meaning within form.
rcarty, Oct 01 2013


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