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Crew Cuts for All

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As a way to address the issues of religious headdresses, cultural appropriation and excessive western sexualizing, hippie liberal cisgender females in america should start a hair style trend of wearing their hair in a crew cut with no other associated meaning than to address these cross cultural issues, as a symbol only of intersectional allyship in the broadest sense. That would basically mean liberal cisgender blonde haired women in middle america wearing their hair short as a political statement related only to international issues.
JesusHChrist, Apr 04 2016

Hair Fidget Police Hair_20Fidget_20Police
A possible route to implementation. [8th of 7, Apr 04 2016]

The new Armani SS collection https://www.armani...._cod16017406ie.html
[bigsleep, Apr 08 2021]

Guide to Online Hate https://www.report-...internet_hate_crime
[bigsleep, Apr 09 2021]

Police who warned man about 'transphobic' tweet acted unlawfully https://www.theguar...ce-acted-unlawfully
Ex police officer had to take his old force to the high court [bigsleep, Apr 09 2021]

Asda sacks worker 'for sharing Billy Connolly video on Facebook' https://www.mirror....or-sharing-17113134
Asda sell the same video [bigsleep, Apr 09 2021]

Police arresting nine people a day in fight against web trolls https://www.thetime...eb-trolls-b8nkpgp2d
Arrested and *then* dismissed. [bigsleep, Apr 09 2021]

VERY STRANGE thing happened to the cast of PLANET OF THE APES https://www.youtube...watch?v=iP0K-hyK40s
[bigsleep, Apr 09 2021]

:et sleeping Dogs Lie...unless they're communists https://www.youtube...watch?v=83tnWFojtcY
Some old fashioned Ps to add to the list. These are only from 30 or so years ago. [zen_tom, Apr 18 2021]

Priti Patel orders police to stop recording hate incidents https://www.thetime...ot-crimes-hhqkgf7p0
[bigsleep, Apr 26 2021]

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       Short hair [+].   

       <link>
8th of 7, Apr 04 2016
  

       Fall asleep watching woss'ername's infomercials, again ?
FlyingToaster, Apr 04 2016
  

       Well, at least it's not in other: general...
normzone, Apr 04 2016
  

       [let's-all] and [advocacy] - see help file.
xenzag, Apr 04 2016
  

       So, if I understand correctly, the idea here is that lesbians should wear short hair as a statement? Or have I somehow missed the other 90% of this idea?   

       [Edit. OK, I googled "cisgender" and it basically means "straight". So the invention is for straight women to wear their hair short as a statement of international issues. I still don't get it.]
MaxwellBuchanan, Apr 05 2016
  

       (Didn't the French do this to collaborators at the end of WWII. )   

       Crew cuts have strong political meaning. And crew cut wigs look extremely silly.   

       Suggest bowl cuts instead. Bowl cuts just mean your too poor to afford a barber/hair stylist. And wigs are more believable.   

       ----   

       Barbers with acetylene torches as a fall back. Let them eat slightly burned and smoking cake.
popbottle, Apr 05 2016
  

       I don't see how this deals with religious headdresses in any way. Also, I'm sure there's a culture where crew cuts or something similar are traditional (well, the military, but surely a natural culture too), so you could still be accused of cultural appropriation.   

       Despite that, though, I'd bun this if not for the let's- all/advocacy aspect (though I'm open to convincement that it doesn't qualify as those things).   

       ----   

       // I googled "cisgender" and it basically means "straight". //   

       I see some confusion possibly starting. I'll try to clear it up and probably cause more confusion. (And this is just for general clarification purposes. We have cisgender and straight members here in addition to our LGBT members and all seem to be well accepted, so I'm not especially concerned.)   

       No, gender and sexual orientation are orthogonal. Cisgender is the opposite of transgender (the prefix cis- meaning "on the same side of" and the prefix trans- meaning "on the opposite side of" or "going through (some threshold)").   

       Transgender (minority): your identified gender is not that typically associated with your sex determined at birth.   

       Cisgender (majority): your identified gender is that typically associated with your sex determined at birth.   

       Homosexual/gay/lesbian (minority): you prefer to have sex with people the same gender and/or sex as you.   

       Heterosexual/straight (majority): you prefer to have sex with people whose gender and/or sex isn't the same as yours (typically, the opposite within the male/female binary).   

       There is some correlation between where someone is in the first two and where they are in the second two, but it's not 100%. (And there are other things like bisexual, asexual, etc., but those are less relevant to this.)   

       Yeah… it's complicated.
notexactly, Apr 07 2016
  

       So, basically, all this labelling equates to "Everybody's different and we could really just move on"?]   

       I'd like to self-identify as a transbiologist. My soul is that of a physicist, but I was born with the brain of a molecular biologist.
MaxwellBuchanan, Apr 07 2016
  

       We understand from the Intercalary that you also have the body of a 19-year-old.   

       And we don't believe you have a soul - if you ever did, it was sold long since.
8th of 7, Apr 07 2016
  

       Clearly some confusion. I have do a 19 year-old with a great body, but it's a single malt. You should never listen to the intercalary - he's the most nonreliable member of the family, and that really is saying a great deal.
MaxwellBuchanan, Apr 07 2016
  

       So wht's in the big locked chest freezer in the little brick building behind the Old Southern Stables, the one that no-one's ever allowed in to ?
8th of 7, Apr 07 2016
  

       Which Old Southern Stables? The Elizabethan ones or those new Georgian ones?   

       Anyway, if it's the freezer I think you mean, that'll be Findus Crispy Pancakes, and they're Sturton's from 1979. Don't ask why. All I ever got out of him was "...global shortage..." and "...corner the market...".
MaxwellBuchanan, Apr 07 2016
  

       But as the crew cut is historically a men's style, couldn't this be misinterpreted as an obliviously self-denigrating attempt to gain respect and opportunity by trying to appear more masculine? Of course the wearer could also have a disclaimer tattooed on her forehead.
Ander, Apr 12 2016
  

       The cultural appropriation outrage is nonsense. People should be allowed to express themselves however they want. No wait, maybe this is a bit insensitive - Armani [link].   

       So bad its funny. Now who says dark humour can't raise awareness ?
bigsleep, Apr 08 2021
  

       Not only is the cultural appropriation/culture war conversation nonsense, it's also not real. By which I mean, it is real, but only in the way that Captain America or Spiderman is real - they exist as fictional entities that we can talk about, but in practical day-to-day, lived experience sense, it's pretty much all made up. That being said, if someone walked into the office in black-up, a Native American headdress and a swastika emblazoned pyjamas, they might consider thinking twice before expecting success at a job interview. It's just common sense.   

       /People should be allowed to express themselves however they want.//   

       In case nobody's been paying attention, people *are* allowed to express themselves however they want. But sometimes, we set boundaries of taste and expectation. Sometimes those boundaries are deemed appropriate, and other times they're not. I think the whole "wearing ties" thing a bit much sometimes for example.   

       It's just a repeatable way to sell newspapers/generate clicks/keep idiots in positions of political power. All these outrage stories are themselves outrageous on account of their flimsily concocted heritage.   

       Now, there are in-group definitions of taste and sensibility - but that's entirely up to you to adopt whatever cultural in-group you personally identify with. That's the freedom of today's identity politics - so, if you want to identify as a no-nonsense gentleman of a certain age with a readily enflamed sense of moral outrage, then be your own guest.   

       And by that, I don't mean you specifically, but in the more general *youse* sense. And nobody can take issue with me on this, since I've already stated that you can all do whatever you want, identify with whatever you want, and hold whatever opinions and beliefs you want (even when they are second-hand inherited from whatever media you choose to consume based on your choice of identification and its overlap with the available media channels). All of those things, you are entirely at liberty to do, feel or otherwise engage in. As you were.
zen_tom, Apr 08 2021
  

       //In case nobody's been paying attention, people *are* allowed to express themselves however they want.//   

       I don't know. The police listen to the noisy mobs and fine people for the stupidest of things. Did you see the recent -   

       Sadiq Khan Tweet: "Misogyny will now be recorded as a hate crime."   

       Playing straight into the internet idiots playbook.
bigsleep, Apr 08 2021
  

       I don't know about that - "hate crimes" exist (and they have legally done so since 1998) and there are fairly reasonable arguments and definitions about what they constitute. The only new thing with that Sadiq Khan quote (and this is the first time I've heard it) is to add gender to the list of "protected characteristics" - which doesn't seem all that contentious to me - apart from the obvious constitutional/legal bit I'm missing where a mayor gets the power to define law. Probably in this instance, "recording" is just in reference to an administrative policy thing. In which case, it's just a statement about data-labelling/tagging policy. TBH, I'm not in the corner of the internet that gets upset by whatever Sadiq Khan says or doesn't say. Though I know such corners do exist.
zen_tom, Apr 08 2021
  

       //doesn't seem all that contentious to me//   

       From what I know just one careless comment can get you a police record. They are not looking for a consistent character like prolonged harassment or shit through letterboxes. It seems like a gross waste of police time to record and follow up on non crimes.
bigsleep, Apr 08 2021
  

       That's a large chunk of hyperbole - along the lines of "These days, if you say you're English, you get arrested and thrown in jail" - i.e. entirely made up.
zen_tom, Apr 08 2021
  

       // large chunk of hyperbole//   

       Checking the police guidelines, actually no. The official college of policing guidelines is not that super clear but the link from the COP to the public is [link]. The good news is most of the recorded info is not handed over on an average background check.   

       British people should really look at the fairly small linked page. One quote "Most hateful or violent website content is not illegal but you can still take the steps below to have it removed if it upsets, scares or offends you". Isn't that sweet ?
bigsleep, Apr 09 2021
  

       [big] you're conflating a customer service announcement with law there.   

       From a person's behavioural point of view, the first test of whether to take action against anything is whether it's emotionally upsetting to them. Littering may be against the law, but you might only expect someone to report it to the police if it upset you in some way. I don't think it's *sweet* necessarily to express that nuance. It's a fairly economic starting point (in terms of explanatory text) to humanise some instructions by setting out a fairly uncontentious starting motivation. e.g. A similar piece of text might say, "If you want to print, press Ctrl-P" - First you set out the human motivation, then the steps they need to take to carry out an action that supports that motivation. Also, I can't expect a print to magically happen if I haven't plugged it in, turned it on or met a thousand of other conditions that set the context of the interaction. An instruction is different from a Genie's wish.   

       The individual is then encouraged to report it, either to the cops, or the website admin, or to the hosting company. Again, there's no explicit or implicit link between someone being upset by something and it being illegal. Just a series of procedural options for doing something about content that might cause a person harm. If I saw public content that recommended hurting my children, I would be offended and upset by that - and would expect to be able to do something about it. Anyone trying to look after their family would feel the same.   

       And there is nothing wrong with any of that. It's not a case of there being a slippery slope, no political correctness gone mad - it's just a right of reply and (hopefully) due process taken by the appropriate source (police, admin, host) to look into it. And by look into it, apply whatever law or policy might be in place, using the normal levels of discretion and process to enact those pre-existing laws or policies. There is nothing more contentious there than encouraging someone to write a letter to their newspaper. If no policy or law is found to be broken, then that's that. Report finished, no action, job done. Having an instruction saying "if you want to take this content down, here's some ways", there is an implicit context here that the content doesn't pass a legal or policy test of legitimacy. It wont magically disappear just because you wished it away. The world doesn't work like that, and I don't think anybody seriously expects it to - do you?   

       The law isn't determined by tweet or decree from the mayor (instead, it's determined largely by decree by the current openly corrupt occupiers of the government and their unassailably democratic 80 seat majority - which based on the evidence, is far more worrying) and has remained fairly static on this kind of thing since 1998. All the rest is pure hyperbole.
zen_tom, Apr 09 2021
  

       //If I saw public content that recommended hurting my children//   

       Inciting people to violence has always been a crime.   

       I agree with the rest of what you said pretty much, but setting a low bar for contacting the police based on subjective things like 'being upset' I think could be better handled by defining terms and giving examples. Even the College of Policing guidelines seem vague to me.   

       From what I read, all contacts to the police must be recorded as an incident regardless of the outcome. And it looks as though e.g. If 'X accuses Y' then both get a record of the incident which can show up on background checks.   

       And lets face it, there have been incidents where free speech has been fined or worse. How did it get that far ?
bigsleep, Apr 09 2021
  

       What incidents, and when?   

       If you report something and it doesn't meet "the bar" then you get done for wasting police time. I don't know the law that defines when and how that's measured, but it is a thing.   

       But we're talking here about a fairly technical issue regards the balance applied in the application of hypothetical boundaries and burdens on the system - more importantly though, in practical, actual terms, we're spending time here discussing a problem that doesn't actually happen. The police aren't swamped with such spurious claims. Free speech is still very much alive and kicking - and whilst hypotheticals are sometimes valid things to get right, I don't think free speech is even remotely threatened by any of the points you raise.   

       Certainly not as much as how free speech is being eroded by the current push on traditionally right-leaning channels to fluff up the so-called "culture wars".   

       Free expression, is under threat perhaps not always in law (unless you include the recent actual laws against conducting demonstrations) but certainly through a concerted and organised social-pressure involving newspapers, online commentators and other expensive, coordinated channels. All in line with the current government's aims and strategies.   

       Creating this paid-for, mythical social justice warrior persona and using it to sow worry amongst normal, decent people into thinking their rights are under threat is a very, very old trick - but doing so under the auspices of "freedom of speech" is Alanis Morissette levels of irony. Using it to create an identity politics of the fearful, and aligning it with the flag- waving, dissent quashing, nationalist, populist mindset seems to me so clearly problematic, so clearly in-line with the authority currently in power wishing to remain in place despite all the clear and present (not hypothetical or imaginary) corruption and failure - that it upsets, surprises and offends me. Unfortunately, in terms of doing anything about it, I have no recourse other than to speak my brains out on a relatively anonymous website where I ought to be discussing the merits of actual ideas and inventions.   

       But yes, if you are concerned about free speech, group think and all that, then I'd be more wary of this pretend culture wars narrative, it seems to me to be almost the opposite of what it purports to be.
zen_tom, Apr 09 2021
  

       I'm with you. I'd like to believe its all internet hype. A couple of incidents linked.   

       The Asda one implies if you are a supporter of Richard Dawkins then your job is on the line.
bigsleep, Apr 09 2021
  

       No it doesn't, it suggests if you post stupid things on a public platform, you can be held responsible for your actions by your employer. That's not a freedom of speech issue, it's a personal responsibility issue. And I think it's reasonable people should take responsibility for their actions. It's certainly difficult to escape those responsibilities when they've been specially written down and contractually agreed up front as part of an employment arrangement.   

       Being an atheist, or reading "The Blind Watchmaker" are neither offensive, nor against ASDA's social media policy, so I doubt either would result in summary dismissal. If however, whilst on a break, I enjoyed a Dawkins book and decided to post something insulting about Jesus on the Cross, then who knows? It depends on the policy, and whether any people following me on social media were insulted enough to be motivated to report me. I'd certainly be taking an informed risk though, having known up front what kind of standards of public discourse I'd already agreed upon.   

       Facebook's a horrible cesspit of villany though, I've found myself distinctly more content since getting out. I try to limit myself to maths-twitter and sea shanties these days as best I can.
zen_tom, Apr 09 2021
  

       //No it doesn't, it suggests if you post stupid things on a public platform, you can be held responsible for your actions by your employer.//   

       Obviously quite a few choice comments about religion have been made on the HB by various users, and I'm sure they wouldn't like being told to delete content, even old content to keep their job.   

       Maybe I'm not making a good argument, but plenty have people have spoken up on "the right to offend". Not to harass, but just to publish content that might offend some. What about the The Life of Brian ?   

       I have to go with the 1st Amendment on this one. You should be allowed to publish anything that's not a crime. And not arrest or sack someone for some nebulous 'hate thought that might lead to a crime'. In the UK its obviously a drive to silence racial tensions, but all they are doing is silencing what could be a productive conversation. Silencing the conversation surrounding the grooming gangs led to years of abuse of kids. Censorship is not the answer.
bigsleep, Apr 09 2021
  

       You are *allowed* to do all that. Nobody will put you in prison for any of that stuff. But you also have to allow companies and individuals to make their own policies and agreements, and expect people who agree to adhere to them to stick to their agreements.   

       Similarly, so called "grooming gangs" do need to be dealt with by police forces who are empowered to do so. Raising that as a social issue and associating it with an ethnic group stops them from being able to do that.
zen_tom, Apr 09 2021
  

       //You are *allowed* to do all that. Nobody will put you in prison for any of that stuff.//   

       But you can be arrested and detained [link].   

       //Raising that as a social issue and associating it with an ethnic group stops them from being able to do that.//   

       It was overlooked for a decade precisely because the police saw it was associated with an ethnic group. Rape victims were told to shut up and go home. Those who called it out were silenced by the police. 10,000's of kids suffered because of censorship.
bigsleep, Apr 09 2021
  

       You can be arrested and detained for anything given a credible enough accusation. I don't see the difference. If the accusation turns out to be spurious, vindictive or otherwise wasting of police time, then there are consequences for that use of free speech as well.   

       The grooming thing was a terrible ongoing fuck up exacerbated by a toxic mix of misogyny and racism - but certainly not the product of political correctness - it's specious to suggest it was censorship that caused the problem - though that claim is the one most often made -which seems strange to me. Far-right political activism continues to muddy the waters and if anything stops the justice system from being carried out - like in the Tommy Robinson farce. His brand of social justice does pay very well, but it doesn't do anything other than make matters worse.
zen_tom, Apr 09 2021
  

       //then there are consequences for that use of free speech as well//   

       Not if someone is genuinely upset.   

       //but certainly not the product of political correctness//   

       Why else would police tell rape victims to shut up ? Its either policemen passing the buck to the next on duty or training to go easy on minorities.   

       If it were clear that people face no consequences for speaking their mind however racist or offensive, then police wouldn't be walking on eggshells when dealing with minorities.   

       I see this as a last gasp of a nanny state who used to have a monopoly on media, but that monopoly has been fading away for the last 10 years. People are realizing that many boogie-men do not exist. There are no hoards of racists planning stuff, just a few misguided people posting shit who need some time to adjust. People need some room to make mistakes and grow.   

       Awesome video on innate tribalism and bigotry [link]. Yes, the film one.
bigsleep, Apr 09 2021
  

       //a nanny state who used to have a monopoly on media//   

       Wait a minute; when was this historical period when a nanny state had a monopoly on media, in any of the English- speaking countries?
pertinax, Apr 10 2021
  

       //when a nanny state had a monopoly on media//   

       [new edit] When people couldn't afford to print their own newspapers i.e. prior to the internet. When I used to watch Panorama as a kid I just accepted what I saw. Now you can google and find up-to-date research papers to verify information.   

       The news media is tightly regulated in the UK and some YouTube channels were attempted to be taken down by OfCom. Since 2008 when corporations use the MSM as their mouthpieces, there really hasn't been any unbiassed reporting. Its all different flavours of the government / corporate narratives.   

       Its good that since 2015, independent journalism is growing and you can get some very different views on things, even tinfoil hat views if you are into that. (They have comedy value). But sure enough, the government is coming back with the Online Harms bill to combat "misinformation, fake news and propaganda". At which point once again, they will have a monopoly on news and propaganda. In the US, media control is alive and well. Just the mention of corona in a YouTube video is enough to get it buried or deleted so most channels use street names like the coof or the rona.
bigsleep, Apr 10 2021
  

       It's possible you're confusing "monopoly" with "consensus", [bigsleep]. There are at least three reasons why a strong consensus may emerge in favour of a proposition P, viz.,   

       1. P is true.
2. There is a conscious system of coercion to enforce assent to P, enforced by people who are indifferent to truth.
3. P forms part of an ideology which many people find comforting, so that they believe it to be true.
  

       The consensus that the world is not flat is probably an example of case #1. The consensus that Stalin played a pivotal role in the 1917 revolution (a consensus which could be found in the Soviet Union in, say, 1930), is probably an example of case #2. Some aspects of the current consensus, from which you dissent, are probably examples of case #3 while others are probably examples of case #1.   

       If you characterize these as if they were mostly case #2, and propose a "get angry" agenda appropriate to case #2, then it gets harder to unpick the tangle of cases #1 and #3 which, I suggest, is where most elements of the consensus can be found.
pertinax, Apr 12 2021
  

       #2 #3 also have gain and inertia from the great economic system flywheel.
wjt, Apr 17 2021
  

       Sounds like a thesis.
Voice, Apr 18 2021
  

       //Non crime hate incidents: The good news is most of the recorded info is not handed over on an average background check.//   

       Yay! And now they're deleted [link]
bigsleep, Apr 26 2021
  
      
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