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Build two human-sized robust mainly dumb androids with nuclear
batteries, cameras, touch sensors and controllable joints and send
them to the Moon in the vicinity of an Apollo landing site. Link them to
virtual reality set-ups on this planet. Train people to use them
through an interface and
a stage set up to look like the site in question
with an appropriate delay. Make them available to scientists, people
who believe the moonlandings were a hoax, politicians, winners of a
lottery and randomly selected members of the population. If one
breaks down, use the other one as an interface to repair it.
This will address a number of problems:
- The problem of not sending humans to the Moon and having to
explore it with less flexibly-designed machines will be partly solved.
The situation won't be ideal because of the delay and bandwidth
problems, but will still be better than nothing. Tools for tests and
experiments could be sent with them to enable more sophisticated
experiments to be carried out on site.
- The hoax believers will be able to visit the Moon virtually and do
almost anything they like up there, like try to wander off set, see if
there's artificial lighting, make sure it's not just slowed-down video
and so forth. It will at least stimulate their creativity regarding ideas of
the Moon hoax.
- The proposition that being on the Moon gives people a healthy
perspective on life, world peace, politics and so forth will be tested
and possibly confirmed. Politicians and probably others (e.g. Richard
Branson) will be able to "go to the Moon" and see this planet small
enough to be blotted out with the palm of one hand, and also have the
kind of insights such as led to the concept of nuclear winter. Randomly
chosen people, who might not be that interested at first, distributed
fairly evenly through the population of Earth will have a different and
possibly influential perspective.
- The lottery will subsidise or maybe even entirely fund the project.
- The androids would be self-maintaining to some extent.
- It would be cheaper and easier than sending astronauts.
Nuclear batteries for human cardiac pacemakers.
[UnaBubba, May 31 2012]
[oscil8, Jun 02 2012]
||I like the idea, but don't think we should make use of this technology available to apollo-deniers, on account of me wanting a go first. However, if it turns out to be necessary for me to disbelieve the Moon-landings in order to join in, then that's perfectly feasable too.
||Clearly there is a loophole there, in that pretending to believe
they're a hoax would get you a go. I personally was wondering
about bandwidth problems because of frame rate and resolution
on the camera.
||I have already set this up and flown the Androids to the moon using some cheap mostly complete soviet technology from the early 1970s. If you would like to wire me the money I will be able to let you browse through my garden.. sorry lunar landing site through the use of the internet. Via a black and white monitor. Owing to the delays you will have to request the co-ordinates that you would like to view and I will instruct my droids to go there and send back an image to your email address for a mere $1m setup + $100k per image, if you are able to get lottery funding then I will be happy to accept their payments.
||I appreciate the problem. The interaction via the androids
should help to overcome this. For example, it could be left up to
the individuals who suspect that the scenario you describe is the
case to detect and transmit signals from the appropriate location
on the Moon, or to choose something about the interaction
which can't be faked. What this would be is another question,
which could probably be answered by going through
www.clavius.org until you find the kind of claim which could be
refuted only if they were actually on the Moon. For instance,
building a large enough cairn to cast a shadow or spelling out a
word which can be seen from orbiting probes. I'm sure there's a
way of doing this. For instance, pick up the laser reflector and
change the angle at a rate you choose, then have it confirmed by
||If anybody has a 'nuclear battery' small enough to fit into a
human-sized armature, it's news to me. However, if you're
prepared to go a bit bigger, the Heathen Institute of
Inadvisably Applied Science & Specialty Pet Grooming
would be happy to lease you a pair of Nuclear Powered
Giant Space Rhinoceroses. They're only about twice the
size of a Tatooine Sand Crawler, and they come with their
own giant space wasp deployment system. Best of all,
they're already rigged with a hi-def video feed for the pay-
||Another option for power might be to have solar-recharged
batteries and have long periods of down time, or a solar array
nearby into which they could be plugged when low on power.
||Just like a conventional nuclear powered android on
the Moon, except there's two of them in this
||Except that strictly speaking they're not androids but remote-
controlled ambulatory rovers.
||Sure, and they could start working on building lunar base right away!
||Alterorder Inc. will be happy to help with the excavation.
Our space resources specialize in that sort of thing.
||See what you don't understand, [Alter]. <link>
||[19thly], how do we know that you've really gone to
the moon with these devices? How do we know you
haven't just put a couple of robots inside a hollow
sphere, reduced the gravity a bit and used projectors
to show the sort of scenery your viewers expect, to
create this illusion?
||The hollow sphere could be defeated simply by having the
androids walk away from each-other.
||The universe is a toroid, in all directions. The sphere
is obviously the same sort of thing. That's what
scientists do, to fool the unwary.
||Someone's gotta defend the fundamentalist kooks. ;)
||A cheaper way would be to get some NASA bod to go on TV and say it was all a lie.
||The conspiracy theorists would spend all their time trawling data to find proof that it did actually happen.
||So, it would tend to reduce disbelief.
||I saw part of a video recently, of some Midwestern
lackwit disproving the fact that the Earth is rotating,
by flying a model helicopter off the roof of his pickup
||The "dingaling factor" is embedded a lot deeper in
the gun-totin', gawd-fearin' psyche than we know,
||There needs to be some kind of interaction which can be
observed or detected from a distance. Using a satellite to
observe them is liable to lead to accusations of faking.
Manipulating laser reflectors seems to be one answer and there
may be others.
||I've not checked the link yet but i definitely have the impression
that nuclear power would be adequate. I would like it to be
possible for them to disappear over the horizon from the landing
site. The larger the range over which they can wander, the less
feasible the idea of a hoax becomes.
||//interaction which can be observed or detected from a distance.
||Ach, you could fake that up with weapons salve..
||The androids are unlikely to effect a sea-change in perspective when they have to contend with Mr iBad's iosbots beaming an Instagrammatic counter-perspective back to earth
||I suppose you could give the two robots their own conspiracy site, they could spend all their time arguing about the possibility of these so-called "humans".
||Topics to include lots of grainy videos of "humans", they can argue about the directions of shadows etc. Although I suspect conspiracy theorists are immune to satire?