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Is there a ::Refugees subcategory?
This idea is about an artificial floating island, that is a
place that is fun to live in, and to grow up there. A place
that is both healthy, or as my 4th grade teacher Mrs
at the Ohr Yisrael school in Monsey taught us to say:
'Healthful' and plentiful.
Where there is enough work but
no exploiting, and always enough to support your family.
Only refugees are allowed to live
here permanently, and they receive a good start with the
help of volunteering people from all over the world who
teach them anything they are lacking knowledge of, and
are in the need of.
These beautiful floating towns can become the location
high ranking hospitals, tourist resorts, museums,
centers, agricultural or industrial centers, or marine life
reservation and research facilities, just to name a few
the possibilities, of course in accordance with the culture
of the former refugees, now residents.
Established by money from the UN and by philanthropists
believe in benefiting the people of the world, these large
locations can accommodate thousands of people who
join and come aboard only after agreeing to abide by the
standards of human cooperation and rules of conduct set
up by the Safe Haeven committee, and adapted to the
local refugee population.
It will build up a strong generation of selfless
people with leadership that will let go of 'revenge' and
'death' realizing they are the bad choice, and believe in
advancement and life instead.
This idea was inspired having read Anh Do's "The
Refugee" and as a kid meeting the Vietnamese boat
people, who came to live on my street in Rehovot, (my
marriage proposal was given years later in their "Tak
Away" restaurant). I was also thinking about refugees
working on some projects to do with the 'refugee vs.
infiltrator' discussions about South Tel Aviv (and now
country). I have been personally acquainted with
Arab refugees from Bethlehem and Beit Jallah who now
in other parts of the world following Muslim intimidation
during the Oslo "peace agreement" years...
-- Off topic --
-- Its my theory and opinion, that bringing in the PLO
terrorist organisations and making an agreement with
them was the gravest mistake, done by people (my
leaders, Rabin, Peres and the left) who didn't really care
for the lives of the local Arabs, and following their anti-
religious crusade were blinded by their misconception of
what was actually happening ....
-- Back to topic --
... and contemplating on the 1.5 million Arabs living in
Gaza, with probably quite a few wishing to leave ...
In other words, there is a worldwide refugee problem,
it won't be solved by forcing the refugees out of their
refuges and back "home", usually because 'home' is not
there it is. Changed owners and called Lul now...
The location of the Vietnamese "Chinese Tak Away" [pashute, Jul 30 2014]
They moved and are called Nam King
not kosher anymore because they open on Shabbat (but interestingly closed on Sunday-Sabbath) [pashute, Jul 30 2014]
Krug's floating island cities
[pashute, Jul 30 2014]
Seoul floating island
albeit not at sea, its in a river, but still, it works! [pashute, Jul 30 2014]
Uros - the ancient floating island in Peru
a tourist pearl [pashute, Jul 30 2014]
Kansai (Osaka) International airport, not actually floating
...but the area was Kinkei in the past [not_morrison_rm, Jul 30 2014]
[Klaatu, Aug 01 2014]
[pashute, Aug 10 2014]
somebody did take this idea to Gaza
[pashute, Aug 12 2014]
Operation Gaza on the Water
[pashute, Oct 01 2014]
[pashute, Mar 16 2015]
artificial floating safe Nevaeh
my idea, inspired by the typo in this idea's title [notexactly, Mar 27 2015]
Egyptian billionaire offers to buy island for refugees
[Voice, Sep 04 2015]
||Kinkei is the old name for Kansai, the area covering Osaka, Kobe and some other places.
||//blinded by their misconception of what was
actually happening ....//
||What is that about anyway?
||I immediately thought it would be an island in the sky, supported by EM drive engines, powered by the Sun.
||Sadly, I think the whole Muslim world would be opposed to it.
The reason no Arab country allows Palestinians to permanently settle is to keep the war going forever, hoping that the Palestinians will eventually win.
||another 72 hour cease fire on its way, while ISIS
are wiping out two full cities, one of Christians,
one of Yazidis, and getting closer to our northern
border through the now mostly Sunni(!) Lebanon,
and our south western border through Jordan.
||To your question [rcarty]... Well, back in 1995, if
you remember the shows from that time, With
Rabin's "Peace is made with enemies", all Israelis
AND Arabs where in Euphoria. Just to remind you,
we had joint military rides with Israeli and
"Palestinian" soldiers sitting together in the same
Jeep, fighting (and here I take on Shimon Peres'
croaky voice) "De Enemeess of Piss".
||We had Yehoram Gaon the singer on stage with
Yehuda Wacksman, who's son had just recently
been abducted and killed (or as Rabin mistakenly
said it: He was hijacking and was hitch-hiked)
||What was really happening, was a well thought out
plan by Yassir Arafat to keep himself as leader of
this pack of tough bullies, Arafat the mind behind
organizing murder and terror for all these years,
including among his own people, was doing what
he knew how to do best. Setting Dahlan against
Rajoub, Shkaki and his Muslim Brotherhood Al
Quds (Jerusaelem) Brigades of the Islamic Jihad
against Mashal's Izaldin El-Qassam of the Hamas,
and everyone against George Habash, Nayaf
Hawatme and Ahmad Jibril. And every once in a
while, setting all of them off against Israel. I
remember as a young officer receiving a military
brief with words of that kind, and not
understanding why my commanders thought that
||Somehow the Jewish thugs in power believed that
if they give power to the Arab thugs something
good will come out of it. Rabin used the (in my
opinion terrible and telling) phrase: "Let them
take care of the terrorists without Bagatz (the
high court of law) and without Betzelem.
||Of course the terrorists had no intention of
keeping to themselves, although they did do a
good job at "eliminating" each other every once in
||The Israelis, especially Rabin, Peres and Barak,
who were no less ruthless, believed that this was
the best way to go. They obviously had no plans
for a peaceful region, only for a military standoff.
We even supplied them with the guns !
||//end of answer to rcarty
||[Kansan10] and [bigsleep], I agree to what each of
you say. After reading
Moshe Feiglin's provocative 7 step "plan" for Gaza,
(I'm happy to say NOT accepted by the Israeli
government) we'll have to think of some way to
counter the tendency of oppressive forces, to
force people out of their homes. Still, the idea
"holds water" for millions of people around the
world who seek refuge away from their homes and
||King [AusCan531] Kai, I was once (and only once,
19 years ago, for a family wedding) at the Sidney
train station asking for directions. I was given
instructions by an Asian clerk with an Aussie
accent. He said: You wanna tike tine to King Kong.
I politely said: 'What?' He repeated: You wanna tike
tine to King Kong den you wanna China to a boos
at.. 'Wait!' I said. I take a train? Yes. You wanna
tike a tine to King Kong. 'To Where'? To King...
'Kood you rite zet done forr mee pleeze? I used
my worst Israeli accent, so he would realize I don't
||He wrote it down: "Kings Cross".
||Well I read about that peace process, and think it
was a genuine attempt on the behalf of the
Israelis for peace, although you now criticize it
because it was not entered into genuinely by
Palestinians, as a leftist problem. That's what I
don't like is dialectic conflicts like that where the
enemy participates with your left to destroy its
politics. Now you have to see that way of thinking
as more naive than the conservatism that now
prevails. So I do see entering into that peace
agreement as disingenuous by the Palestinians.
Obviously as I said before the Palestinian militants
are fighting a global conflict rather than a regional
conflict, and globally they do have significant
sympathizers. However my own worldview is that
Israel is a legitimate Jewish state but it was
established and supported by powers that the
Palestinians feel aren't legitimate compared to
Arab and Islamic relations to the holy land, perhaps
even the leftism that didn't originate with Jews in
the holy land. My own comments referred to a
problem key powers were having at the time of
Israel's establishment that were part of ongoing
racial discourses that continued after WW2, that
continues to be a somewhat powerful leftist
argument for a conciliatory approach with
Palestinians. My own inclination as you know
would be to to end the conflict with stronger
leftism and Israelis and Palestinians agreeing that
the clash of civilizations are over - an incredulity
raised at conservative religious and ideological
sectarianism worldwide! But I don't think that is
on the current Islamist agenda, so Hamas does not
have my sympathies. However, on a separate
front I would like to see the global civilizations
clash resolved that involves everything from
islamic caliphates to pragmatic christian
rationalities that all converges somehow at that
holy land and region.
||Well if you think a New Kurdistan in Iraq is going to
be less provocative than a Jewish state in Israel,
then I don't think you appreciate the effect holy
lands have on people. That said I'm not a nihilist
wants to see all religious history destroyed, but
would generally rather have them not be accepted
basis of social policy applied by a ruling
government in a parliamentary democracy, but
only as rules governing communities that accept
them. Religious conservative repressions should
not be a democratic choice, one accepts them
through religious belief or not at all.
||OK, this round of war seems to be over. (At least till our
shared holiday days are over)
||For some years there has been nothing arid about our
strip of land anymore. Also, you probably know this, but
the UK and the US are targets just like Israel, so your
home is in no less danger than mine.
||So lets get back to discussing this idea seriously.
||Refugees are people leaving places like Nigeria and
Sudan, Thailand, Vientnam and Mexico. Sadly they are
not wanted in the places they run to (Australia, Europe,
the US). They are moved by slave traffic agents
throughout undesired countries and reach thriving
countries where they hope they will have work and "make
a living". Sometimes they do, but mostly they don't. They
live in terrible conditions, and with the feeling of
||In come the AFSHes. Run by your fellow people, you feel
comfortable coming to this place. You get responsibility.
You get the chance to build yourself up. You get to live in
a beautiful place that works. You repay it, by joining
forces with "the good guys" and making life good for even
more refugees around the world. When coming to this
new place you also participate in a program for helping
your original homeland become a better place, so that
people will actually want to go back home.
||The situation as it is now reminds me of an old joke: The
commissar asks if anyone has questions. "Yes tavarysh
Pushkyn?". "Er, tavarysh commissar, if everything is so
good under communism, as we are told, why is it that
everybody runs to the United States, but nobody runs
from the United States to the SFSR?" "Now that, tavarysh
Pushkyn is a very good question. I will answer it in the
next session". In the next session the commissar asks if
there are any questions. "Er, tavarysh commisar, where is
||Added seasteading institute link. Seems some people may
be gathering money to do something similar. Only its for
the rich guys not for the refugees.