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When Hamas fires their puny rockets at Israel (most of which are intercepted and therefore not much of a threat), Israel should respond by targeting the launch points for attack by an entirely more imaginative weapon. Instead of Shock and Awe, they should be using the "You Fire Rockets, We Fire Farts"
strategic response protocol.
Buildings struck as a consequence of the "You Fire Rockets, We Fire Farts" response would find themselves totally splattered and showered with multi-coloured paint, and all kinds of sparkles. At night, the paint would become day-glow. Girly perfume bombs would be used to saturate terror suspect households, along with their vicinities.
Other projectiles would burst open in the rocket launch neighbourhoods to deliver clown outfits; party hats; frilly underwear; balloons, and footballs with funny jokes on them. Loud recordings of "The Laughing Policeman" (appropriately translated) would fill the air instead of the sound of gunfire and explosions.
It's not much fun seeing your home reduced to rubble and people torn apart by high explosives, and it creates another generation of pain, hatred and anger. Violence only provides the impetus for more violence, but there is no defence against humour, and it can always claim a higher moral ground.
Works best when deployed by both sets of belligerents.
the beautiful area around Gaza
In the past part of Egypt, but they don't want the "headache" [pashute, Aug 03 2014]
Woops France 24 unwillingly acknowledges...
[pashute, Aug 03 2014]
Back to the original and nicer idea [pashute, Aug 03 2014]
"We have children of our own. We know not to shoot innocent people"
"And have not one single case of shooting an innocent person..." [pashute, Aug 03 2014]
[pashute, Aug 03 2014]
We fite Gazah. We shute gaza. Israeel strong! Gazah week! [pashute, Aug 03 2014]
||I don't support Israel's punitive measured but it's odd they're not more
effective. Is Hamas that good at disguising its activities?
||I'm bunning this for one reason. To not bun this would
be to say "No, there's a better way to mid east
peace." and clearly, there is not.
||I think this would be just as effective or more than
anything that's been done previously.
||I find your proposal to use nuclear weapons disturbing. Would you say
"nuke Mecca" with the same relish? How about your own country's
||[bigsleep] Israel is not on an "extermination" spree
of anybody. We hardly entered the Gaza strip or
Gaza city at all. The incursion has been only into
Sagaeia which is a single neighborhood alongside
the border in the center of the strip. The whole
seaside and center of Gaza city has not been
touched from the ground, and targets were only
Hamas military headcourters, or locations of
missile stashes, cave entrances or launch areas.
(google for France 24 correspondent caught near
Hamas rockets) The cities of Bet Hanoun and
Rafiah have not been touched. Bet Lahia, Jibalya
have never been touched. Israel had built a field
hospital for the population and has been careful to
warn the population in advance of any attacks.
You can watch the people not scared gathering in
the streets to watch the Israeli retaliation or
operation, and then when there's an explosion too
close they all run for a second for cover, knowing
that they the civilians are not the target and just
getting away from the dibree.
||During each and every humanitarian cease fire,
one sided by Israel, tons of food and medicine
have been let into Gaza. Including aid from
like Turkey who are at enmity with Israel. These
reached Gaza through Israel's Ashdod port.
||Just as an aside, the Jews of Gaza have been
expelled in 1929. The Christians of Gaza were
expelled mostly after the Israeli exit in 2005.
Speaking about ethnic and religious cleansing...
(Oh yes, and the throwing of the PLO guys off the
roofs and murdering the wedding procession is
nothing to do with belief or ethnicity...)
||Our government has decided NOT to take over
Gaza for any reason whatsoever, and particularly
NOT for exterminating the population. This is a
false accusation and a blood libel.
||And to the topic of this idea: Missiles DO harm:
* This week 77 year old man mortally wounded in
* Three weeks ago: Bedouin family killed by direct
hit of rocket on
house in the Negev.
* Ashkelon Kindergarden hit and demolished just
as children were
out in recess.
* Two weeks ago: Man wounded badly (meaning
lost some part of
the body) in Ashdod gas station.
* 80 year old woman wounded in her home in Beer
Sheva from direct hit on her building.
* 14 year old Arab boy killed by anti tank missile
at him when joining his father's work on border
* 14 year old boy from my town killed by anti tank
missile shot at school bus when he joined his
grandfather driving the bus, after the kids where
let off just before
||So yes, the missiles do hit sometimes and kill.
||In any case, the "defense only" way of thinking
cannot work, because they are constantly
checking what works and how to "improve". In the
nearby (to my town) Haella junction last week a
car filled with gas canisters each with a
detonation fuse, was stopped by a bold Israeli
soldier jumping into the car and taking over the
driver. The terrorist was arrested.
||The only that can work is to change their mindset.
See the link and perhaps have the Gazan's discover
what a beautiful place they can turn their city into
with the 5 billion dollars that Ismail Haniya
||Humour is still a better weapon than anything used by either side.
||At 100 people a day dying [bigsleep], it would take
-- yes years -- to equal the total of what was done
to the Jewish people, with not just the approval
but participation of movements that gave birth
the the range of political parties Hamas is part of .
||That's statistics, and that's extermination.
||This is a conflict, an asymmetric one, by its nature
-- but no one whose life is not immediately
affected by it is fully qualified to judge. One
often gets the feeling that some people would
prefer that the Hamas rockets destroy an
apartment building or two with a few hundred
people, so if feels more even.
||Or want the blocade lifted, even though the
Israelis would have to go back to a bomb blowing
up in a Tel Aviv restaurant every couple of weeks,
like in Baghdad from now until the end of days.
||It's convenient to want simple solutions when the
biggest problems in your life are whether Domino's
arrives within 30 minutes, rather than diving into a
shelter in 15 seconds.
||Why can't the Israelis just take the bombardment,
it's not like anyone is dying. Or move to Florida or
something, they have sand too. Or Arizona. It's
just so damned inconvenient to have to look at
those pictures of people dying. Get over yourself.
||//Why can't the Israelis just take the bombardment?// - this is my exact point. Assume the high moral ground, and fire paint bombs in response. There is nothing quite like humour and ridicule. Hamas are a disgusting organisation, so why elevate them to being an equal? It's a bit like a child throwing stones at cars, so you respond with rifle fire into their playgrounds, where the bad children are mixed in with the non-participants.
||[bigsleep] -- that would work if we had a working
Security Council. But we don't, because Russia
refuses to see the world the same way.
||//the nature of the world is the same everywhere//
||I don't believe that's true. It implies that people
everywhere really just want a nice house with a
flatscreen TV and deliverable pizza. I think there
are large chunks of humanity who have beliefs that
override those material desires, strange though that
seems to most of us.
||Well said, Mr. B. Well said.
||Thank you. I also believe that these people need to
be found and dealt with.
||Well said, Mr. B. Well said.
||Remind me to surround myself with more people
like [theircom] and [blissmiss].
||Ha, funniest thing I've read all day. Ha!
||Yes it is toady, but also it is not impressive to be
influenced by propaganda and to make
propaganda. That it what every anti-imperialist
has to be aware of, that they are not more naive
than the imperialist mindset. It seems from your
statements that you may be acting more naive and
trying to appeal to the more naive. An anti-
imperialist must not be deceived by any who tries
to take over any minds. Of course it seems to me
that Israel is a very small place for Jews to live in
their homeland. So it seems most of the conflict
is about that afront, that rejection even by the
Palestinian people. The world power that
supports them sadly is the scope of the conflict,
so it's a combination of things Israel's done with
blockades and settlements, and what British and
American imperialists have done, and how that
power is an afront to Islam. If the conflict ever
gets reduced down to just Israelis and Palestinians
then it will be solvable, but as long as it remains a
holdout in a long term conflict of 'clashing
civilizations', or global powers, then I'm going to
look at all the information as propaganda and just
wonder why Jews can't live in their homeland. Is
is about who the truest holy land people are, and
by virtue of that truthiness more righteous in
conflict? I thought Apartheid was a good
argument because world power was still aligned
with that thought when international delineations
of Israeli Palestinian territory were drawn up.
When in 1950 the General Assembly noted racial
segregation was necessarily based on the
of racial discrimination. So it wouldn't hurt to
revisit old history even in the establishment of
Israel where an inter-racial conflict may be
embedded as a result of a very dominant and very
intellectual force at the time.
||//nice house with a flatscreen TV and deliverable pizza
||I'd settle for a crap house, no pizza and no TV if I get a crack team of shadow-puppet operators who'd do the Matrix or something like that every night....get wiggling them sticks guys..
||*on a real note current shared dwelling is about 34 degrees every day, and more wildlife (in the form of cockroaches and mosquitoes) than a medium sized zoo.
||//Apartheid was a good argument
||cuts to the joke that is so old it was originally written on papyrus....it concerns the anti-apartheid activist in the laundrette, wondering if it's right to separate the whites from the coloureds...
||I would think 2000 of any old years would
delegitimize a people's claim, but since its 2014
within their same epoch where most of the history
has been characterized by some relation to that
same holy land, I would say no it's not stretching it.
And yes I am an atheist so I don't find meaning in
those religions, but Judaism is not an expansionist
religion, so I find it least threatening of Christianity
(all branches) and Islam (all branches), of all branches
||Give any religious, racial, or nationalistic society of
nutcase a inch, and they will take a mile. Jew,
Muslim, Christian, etc... whatever.
||Being able claim anything based on 2000 years old
evidence sets a bad international legal
precedence, let alone within any nation, which
is why many nations have adverse possession
||Agreed. Pass the popcorn. Just make sure we are
not funding any side.
||" I should have posted the rant as a separate idea "