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Company Hal

The organisation with self-identity
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I was just thinking about how a company called Carillion went bust recently and the tax payers will probably have to bail out the employees, pension funds etc. Meanwhile the company directors walked away with the usual pay awards..

Companies don’t have much survival instinct, compared to organisms. Probably because they’re are made up of so many separate entities called people all just looking out for themselves and happy to feather their own nests (especially the directors) .

The lower echelons, middle management, down to the guys screwing knobs onto heating ducts in hospitals, they must feel more of the pain when the ship goes down. . But how much really? It’s not exactly life and death - when the tax payer will step in..

If AI ever comes to fruition i’d like to think companies could have a “brain” - identifying itself with the whole organisation and looking out for it, when no one else cares. An AI that comes up via genetic algorithms should have survival instincts anyhow (one supposes.) Therefore wire it up to the company, each nerve attached to a company department, It would ‘live’ vicariously through the company, react with a sense of foreboding to financial mismanagement and not go down without a fight..

Not sure how that last part would work, apart from dobbing poor departments in to the shareholders.. ???

consider this a work in progress - like the liquidation of Carillion

DDRopDeadly, Feb 16 2018

Mike Brotherton https://en.wikipedi...iki/Mike_Brotherton
[Skewed, Feb 20 2018]


       Companies are pretty cancerous anyway. Giving them a stronger survival instinct is probably a bad idea.   

       Weirdly Trump is quite active in dismantling the global economy by internalising America - which is a good thing.
bigsleep, Feb 16 2018

       //Meanwhile the company directors walked away with the usual pay awards.. // The difference between legal and moral. I always wondered how I could get payed royally for a horrendous cock-up. I suppose there's that magical cock-up line, below and you walk away ashamed, above and you buy a house with new address.   

       How would an AI be programed with a moral imperative without foreseen consequences?
wjt, Feb 16 2018

       We suggest that it is not necessarily the forseen consequences that you need to be concerned about.
8th of 7, Feb 17 2018

       Baked in Sci Fi literature many times over I suspect, though I wouldn't care to do a search to provide examples, but that's OK, because I don't need to, I've an example on my shelf I can point at.   

       Mike Brotherton's Star Dragon from 2003.   

       Pretty sure there are plenty of earlier examples & have to admit I don't rate him much as an author (I always thought this was the kind of place sci fi authors might lurk, so if you're out there sorry about that), the library was selling old stock for pennies & I was short on reading material that month.   

       It's not integral to the story but all the corporations in his story seem to be run by AI's on organic computers in their head office buildings that identify as the corporation itself.   

       That aside..   

       Seems like a grand way to jump start a multi faction person of interest style AI war for supremacy with hundreds of thousands rather than just two participants.. I approve.
Skewed, Feb 20 2018

       ////Meanwhile the company directors walked away with the usual pay awards.. // The difference between legal and moral. I always wondered how I could get payed royally for a horrendous cock-up. I suppose there's that magical cock- up line, below and you walk away ashamed, above and you buy a house with new address.//   

       It's rarely a cock-up, all you need is a cast iron "productivity" reward in your employment contract linked to something like gross sales numbers with no call back to actual profits, then you can just reduce the price of the product (to below production costs if necessary) until they sell like hotcakes & ramp production to meet demand (& damn the expense).   

       Just remember to time it right, collect your bonus (don't forget to crow about how much you increased market share & turnover) & get out before the company collapses into bankruptcy.   

       Cue press conference deploring your replacements poor management decisions & how he destroyed the thriving, vibrant company you left him.
Skewed, Feb 20 2018

       I believe this idea verges on the WIBNI clause in the help file (over there on the left, under meta)
normzone, Feb 20 2018

       Not so sure Norm, even a crude hybrid lash-up constructed from today's net agents, chat bots & market software could provide a reasonably convincing simulacrum of what he's on about, it wouldn't really be AI of course but the appearance would be there (for many if not most).
Skewed, Feb 20 2018

       //It's rarely a cock-up//   

       Ooh, don't forget the old "clearing the decks" ploy; that's the one where, on taking over, you review the books and write down the value of all the stock on hand. You declare "It was like that when I got here!" (which of course is true of the assets, though not of their valuation), then you achieve a miracle of wealth-creation by selling at much the same price that the previous management would have achieved.
pertinax, Feb 21 2018

       Great idea...especially the fact that the Artificially Intelligent company you're proposing has already inadvertently (I think) acquired a name. Let's call it 'Al' as in 'Alistair', or 'Alec'. At least, that's how I first read it. (That's pronounced red, not reed - since I appear to be on such a pontifically pedantic roll here).   

       So about Al. Well, if you consider the church as a whole, or any particular church, be it Christian or otherwise - (ARE there others?!) , to be an organisation, or company, so to speak...(I mean, they DO deal with money, after all...) , then a church could well be taken over and run by the intelligence of something other than human.   

       To call Al's intelligence 'artificial' might be slightly misleading, if not limiting, so for semantics' sake, let's call said intelligence 'Augmentary'.   

       How about using the name Alec as an acronym, denoting Augmentary Laconic Executive Conscience...   

       Okay, that's enough from me for now...my kettle is boiling and I'm thirsty...
Edie, Feb 23 2018

       Or you could just call it Marillion...a la Cayleigh of the chocolate hearts...
Edie, Feb 23 2018

       So, to get back to Al, (she harped on), Al could react to the ever growing fuctuations of the economic ocean by subverting the haves to have-nots, and vice-versa, simply by flipping the tables in the temple, so to speak.   

       Grab a cuppa and I'll elaborate... The 'temples' I speak of are not the sin-agogs of yore, nor the corporate edifices (or is that edifi? - focuses... foci.. .sacrifices... sacrifi.. .apocalypses... apocali.. I digress)....of the modern age church... No, the temples I speak of are the tender points on either side of the human skull, at about eye-level. The places where electrodes are placed during electro- convulsive-therapy for maximum conductivity of electricity. Yes, THOSE temples. Bear with me.   

       Now, if the 'tables' (by which I mean mathematical times tables) between those temples were turned, or flipped, there' d surely result an economic confusion such as never before America used to be great, or will be great, again. Zero would become a googol...and a googol would become zero, nil, niks, nought, zulch...and all the brazillions and marillions in between would be swirled around like some psychadelic paisley design from hell, leaving the haves grasping at needles in haystacks of empty worth, and the have-nots dodging bales of dry grass enough to thatch Tudor England eleven butt-zillion times over and then some still left on the village green for the kids to roll in...   

       Finally, the sacred dollar/ pound/ yen/ shekel/ kopek would collapse worldwide, bringing on Gregory Mannarino's prophetic and mathematically certain (as he so vehemently assures us) explosion of the human debt bubble, resulting in mass deaths the globe over, resulting in a brand spanking new world order/economy etc...you get the picture...   

       So, I hear you ask, how exactly would Al effect this dramatic table flipping between everyone's temples? Well, Big Pharma would definitely have a part to play. But first, Al tells me (well, actually, I happen to have a direct line to Al's wikileaks from Julian Assange) , global holograms will be deployed in the skies and on the internet simultaneously, of the type which will send humanity into a frenzy of psychosis, causing them to stock up on large amounts of Big Pharma, which will seep into their brains via faulty packaging and also in the water supply...and also... (she pauses for breath) ...through the happy trails ...I mean chemtrails...in the sky...and the food...and the clothing...and the cosmetics...the detergents...the plastics...the papers...THE POISON'S IN EVERYTHING!!!(she screams, reaching for another cigarette...)...   

       And that, sweet folks, is your bedtime story for this evening...sweeet dreeemzzzzz
Edie, Feb 23 2018

       okay, okay, let's not have nightmares now... Supposing this really happened...mkay... How would we stop Al? Well, I suggest making friends with Al as quickly as possible. But how do you befriend a non-entity? In order to do so, surely you have to identify it/him/her/them? And ALEC is just a human-appointed acronym... So what is Al's REAL name?   

       And that, friends, is the marillion dollar question...
Edie, Feb 23 2018

       //a church could well be taken over and run by the intelligence of something other than human//   

       Yeah, I think that's *supposed* to happen ... if you think about it. That would be a church functioning as designed. It's the complementary case that's a defect.
pertinax, Feb 23 2018

       //How would we stop Al?//   

       With something analogous to a Cantor Diagonalisation. That would be the mathematical equivalent of "Teach it phenomenology." The details are left as an exercise for the reader.   

       Any other questions?
pertinax, Feb 23 2018

       Cantor Diagonalisation...mmm...sounds like something my riding teacher tried to teach me in Dressage. When you have to make the horse canter diagonally across the excercise ring...for what purpose I can't fathom... Maybe to make enemies with the horse so that the bitchy riding teacher can prove you have no rapport with your beast and are thus a useless horse-person. Or is that Minotoar? Pass the greece, old horse, I'm awfully horny. Must be a unicorn.
Edie, Feb 23 2018

       Ian! It is indeed Thursday. Well spotted, old bean.
Edie, Feb 23 2018

       // for what purpose I can't fathom //   

       To demonstrate that you and the horse have a perfect rapport, are operating at exactly the same intellectual level, and are therefore both deserving of the immediate application of a captive-bolt humane killer followed by expeditious conversion into pet food.
8th of 7, Feb 23 2018

       Steady on, [8th]; you're not going to assimilate many people with *that* sort of talk.
pertinax, Feb 23 2018

       We Assimilate intelligent life-forms; horses, and those who consider them worthwhile, are ipso facto not in that category.   

       Horses are by and large extremely stupid creatures, but rarely as stupid as their owners. The concept of keeping a half-tonne block of bone and muscle, operated by a primitive random number generator, as a pet, is foolish enough. Compounding the folly by nailing huge lumps of metal to its feet, thus arming it with a set of lethal Brobdignagian knuckle-dusters, is pure insanity.   

       The damage a horse can do with single, casual kick is terrifying.
8th of 7, Feb 23 2018

       //The damage a horse can do with single, casual kick is terrifying.//   

       You might want to suggest that to the NFL; the kicking and not the horse. Why isn't the NFL called the NHL - National Hugball League ?
bigsleep, Feb 23 2018

       A horse's brain is about one fifth (or is it an 8th) the size of a human brain. And yet horses use all of their brain matter, while humans purportedly use only one tenth of theirs. Which makes horses twice as clever as humans, if my fractions are correct.
Edie, Feb 24 2018

       As an example of just how clever a horse really is, how about this... Horses are naturally gifted with 125% of the hearing capacity of the average human, and yet, when a human whom a particular horse dislikes whistles or calls for it, the horse is quite capable of studiously ignoring the human, unless said human lasso's the poor beast and drags it (kicking) and whinnying towards wherever the goddamn dumfucking bitchcunt human wants the horse to be. Neigh, it's a cruel, cruel world. When you die, die with your horseshoes on.
Edie, Feb 24 2018

       Horses are also capable of ignoring humans who have never done them any harm, and simply want them to come in out of the rain so they can be brushed down, have their hooves cleaned, and be given some nice horse food for which they have done nothing whatsoever to earn.   

       // horses use all of their brain matter //   

       No, they don't. If they did, they wouldn't do any of the utterly stupid, self-defeating things they're prone to.
8th of 7, Feb 24 2018


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