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Idiot-proof holster

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A holster with a speaker on it that shouts "GUN: LETHAL" when a policeman's service weapon is drawn. A similar holster that shouts "TASER: LESS LETHAL" would be used for the officer's Taser, to avoid "accidentally" firing the wrong one at a suspect.
21 Quest, Jan 15 2022

Here's a holster that activates a camera... https://www.dailyma...-drawn-holster.html
but with a quick Google search not seeing one that sounds an alarm or announces it's the deadly weapon not the taser. [doctorremulac3, Jan 15 2022]

So you're OK with imbeciles with guns? https://en.wikipedi...f%2051%E2%80%9370).
[Skewed, Jan 17 2022]

We got ourselves a convoy. https://en.wikipedi...Freedom_Convoy_2022
...and since you destroyed our trans Canada railway how the hell else do you intend to transport your goods? Or is that the game? Soup-Nazis. No goods for you. [2 fries shy of a happy meal, Jan 26 2022]

Body camera footage laws interactive state by state https://www.ncsl.or...tive-graphic.aspx#/
[doctorremulac3, Jan 26 2022]

Small fringe minority... https://www.faceboo...t=a.134349950745561
...coming through. [2 fries shy of a happy meal, Jan 30 2022]

gofundme donations being paused https://www.bbc.com...-us-canada-60239038
[pertinax, Feb 05 2022]

Trudeau's personal photographer showing up for the two minutes or so that flag waved. https://twitter.com...1487900158427869189
Notice how videos of the crowd running these shits off don't make the news though? [2 fries shy of a happy meal, Feb 05 2022]

Forget Waldo... https://www.faceboo...t=a.134349950745561
[2 fries shy of a happy meal, Feb 05 2022]

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       What? no there was a lot of shouting, I don't remember the exact words the machine said. Pure chance that I unfortunately and totally accidentally shot the suspect with the gun instead of the water pistol.
pocmloc, Jan 15 2022
  

       Cameras are good at making sure that excessive force was not used in any given situation.   

       Public pay...   

       Public scrutiny.   

       It's the only fix I can think of until they start taxing billionaires.
Paid by the public?
Okay then...
Watched by the public.
  

       or no tax paid   

       can't put all of your citizens in jail if they all decide to stop paying taxes at the same time now can you?   

       who works for whom?   

       Poc, have Gilbert Gottfried do the voice recording. Nobody will believe you didn't hear that.
21 Quest, Jan 15 2022
  

       Randy, as one of my favorite TV characters often says, if I paid taxes I would be really upset about that.
21 Quest, Jan 15 2022
  

       Meanwhile, in Britain, the new truncheon clears its throat and murmurs "Now, steady on ..."
pertinax, Jan 15 2022
  

       This is brilliant, where are the buns for this? [+]   

       I'd keep in simpler and just have an alarm for the deadly weapon only. Have it be a frequency that doesn't interfere the officer yelling at the suspect though.
doctorremulac3, Jan 15 2022
  

       In a deadly situation where several different people are quite possibly yelling arbitrary threats and other things the first thing we need is another voice to add to the confusion!
Voice, Jan 15 2022
  

       See my comment about Gilbert Gottfried. There are voices, and there are voices.
21 Quest, Jan 15 2022
  

       Use Mae West's voice, or Marilyn Monroe, breathy and sensual, but at a loud enough volume to be heard amid the fracas. The resulting biological confusion leaves a window of a few precious seconds where everyone can be successfully subdued.   

       "Is that a pistol in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?"
Sgt Teacup, Jan 15 2022
  

       And like I was suggesting with your other good idea, only have one make the announcement, probably the lethal one.   

       These ideas are really good, seriously, I'd do a patent search.   

       Search Google patents, don't bother with the patent office site.
doctorremulac3, Jan 15 2022
  

       Spoke with my son the police officer about this and he says that in a volatile situation audio awareness is very important and the officer is zeroed in on listening to the suspect so while an alarm might have some advantage it might have the drawback of blocking communication between the officer and the suspect. Speaking and communication is the number one tool the officer has to diffuse a situation.   

       I suggested getting rid of pistol grips so all tasers are baton shaped and he thought that was a better idea.   

       Currently you have your taser on one side and the pistol on the other. He also said there's no substitute for training and situational awareness.
doctorremulac3, Jan 16 2022
  

       Isn't he required to announce when he draws his gun anyway though?
21 Quest, Jan 16 2022
  

       I'll ask but pretty sure you're supposed to give adequate and clear warning before you shoot unless they're actually shooting at you. Even if they have a weapon I think you're supposed to tell them to drop it. I'll ask him about specifics next time we talk.   

       He also tells me that departments are as varied in the quality of their training as any other business. When we hear about these deaths in custody (as they call them, there's a whole body of law devoted to this) he talks about these officers in the news for killing a detainee and lists the things they did wrong. There's a very complete and thorough process you go through during an arrest. His academy training made it very clear that once you arrest somebody their life is in your hands and you have to treat the situation incredibly seriously and follow specific and clear safety protocols for their protection.   

       I've done ride alongs with him and was struck by how many of the people he dealt with were homeless, on drugs or both, and saw that he was very kind to them, asking if they needed help, medical attention etc. Remember, police are effectively the only people in charge of caring for the people in these homeless camps, but they're still citizens in need of protection, and they have very little support for their day to day wellbeing outside of law enforcement. I felt like we were their only guardians, the only people who cared about them. We'd walk in, talk to the people just asking if they were okay or if they needed anything and as grim as it sounds, be on the lookout for dead bodies. This doesn't get a lot of press because it's not interesting so I'll put it out there. Not a glamorous job but somebody has to do it.   

       I'm very proud of him.
doctorremulac3, Jan 16 2022
  

       [doctorremulac3]; as with politicians & teachers (& other professions too), there are 2 types of police officers: those who want the power, & those who want to help. The ones we see in the news are generally the 1st type. Your son is the 2nd type. We need more like him.
neutrinos_shadow, Jan 16 2022
  

       Thank you for saying that NS.
doctorremulac3, Jan 17 2022
  

       Yeah there's good cops and bad cops. I honestly believe that any kid dreaming of being a cop when they grow up has absolutely no intention of being a bad cop.
They want to help people and catch bad guys.
  

       Try asking a cop why he's giving you a ticket instead of catching bad-guys like you pay them to do...   

       ...oh the rest of your day will be just ever so much fun after that.   

       I find it interesting that the police unions here are the only unions so far to stand up and refuse to fire non vaccinated members. They can see what's coming. Just look to Australia as an example and you can almost hear the StarWars theme in the background.   

       Maybe the nursing shortage can be blamed on lack of union support for non conforming nurses, (who were so totally our heroes just a very short time ago).
Maybe the truckers union could swing enough weight that goods could still be transported by unvaccinated members.
  

       Maybe it's still possible to stand up for ourselves and tell our governments that until these so called vaccines "stop" transmission of these viruses and render actual 'immunity', as all past mandates based on the previous definition of the word 'vaccine' hinged upon, then 'everyone' is a carrier regardless of vaccination status so segregation based on compliance is unacceptable and to shove their draconian Stockholm syndrome techniques up their asses.   

       Maybe our unions could avert this bullshit.   

       ...maybe   

       chances are getting slimmer by the day.   

       //Try asking a cop why he's giving you a ticket instead of catching bad-guys//   

       ...pauses ... looks up slightly wide-eyed ... "am I one of the bad guys?"
pocmloc, Jan 17 2022
  

       Here's the deal, obviously I'm proud of my son, (I put a long story of other adventures we've had but took them down because it gets kind of boring having people brag about their kids) but I've dealt with bad cops in my youth. I woke up with a gun in my face once.   

       I owned a series of recording studios in my youth and at one we had sleeping quarters for those late night sessions. A neighboring business owner and I got into a spat about parking so he called the cops and pointed out these facts to them:   

       1- There's a bunch of long haired kids in this building the same size of his. Where did they get the money to rent this place?   

       2- Their leader is a long hair young guy who for some reason has enough money to drive a Porche with a car phone. (this was the early 90s)   

       3- There are long haired kids going in and out all hours of the day and night and many of them are BLACK! (we recorded a lot of rap bands)   

       So obviously we were drug dealers right? Cops busted into my studio and searched the place. I remember them looking through the ashtrays for joints but we didn't do drugs and it didn't allow drugs in the studio thankfully.   

       There were other harassment stories but it all ended when our very rich and powerful manager (he build concert venues that carry his name, one he build in partnership with Steve Wozniak) had the company lawyer call the police and tell them to knock it off. After the threat of a lawsuit from the company that built the cities biggest concert venue, they left us alone, no doubt under order from the city attorney.   

       I think these storied motivated my son to be one of the good guys.   

       But it's like any company isn't it? You can have companies like big pharma that purposefully get people addicted to Oxycontin and destroy lives for money or have companies that develop drugs that save lives and cure cancer. Can't use that broad brush, there are good and bad everything.   

       [end of rant]
doctorremulac3, Jan 17 2022
  

       I was quite enjoying that rant. Can we not have some more? (spoken with Oliver Twist type voice and expression)
xenzag, Jan 17 2022
  

       MMMMOOOOOOOOR????!!!!????
doctorremulac3, Jan 17 2022
  

       Yes Mr Bumble - more - with an 'e' at the end of it.
xenzag, Jan 17 2022
  

       I know how to spell the word, I wanted it to be more of a sound than a word.   

       But thank you for the spell check slap. Thank you sir, can I have another?   

       16 years on this site, not one MFD, not one spelling correction. Pretty proud of that.
doctorremulac3, Jan 17 2022
  

       So doc, if we had more of a working social safety net, perhaps the number of indigent people cared for by the cops would drop. Where are you on that?
RayfordSteele, Jan 17 2022
  

       Well that's the biggest problem we face isn't it? I'd love to say I have the answer, or even some good ideas on the subject but I really am at a loss. I can lay out some thoughts I've had on the subject but they're hardly solutions. Drug addiction is the horror or our age. 100,000 overdose deaths from Fontanel a year I've heard. I defer to the experts on such issues, Dr Drew is an addiction medicine specialist who does this for a living and when asked how to get somebody, a loved one or friend off drugs, his answer is "You can't. Until they're made the decision to embark on this horrendous challenge you can't control them and keep in mind, they're having a very hard time controlling themselves. You can bolster your position through various avenues, support groups etc, but you can't control an addict, you can only be there for them to help when they're ready to get help.   

       So what are the options I see? I'd start with just saying we need to do whatever is possible to cure this problem. Sometimes it's okay to embark on a challenge without knowing the solution. So in no particular order, here's the options I see:   

       1- Like you say, increase funding for counseling, care, housing etc. But then we have to ask for a model of where this has worked. If we house these people, (which I think we should) it's probably not realistic to tell them they can't do whatever drugs they're addicted to, they'll simply leave. Which leads to the very controversial:   

       2- Incarceration. Bringing back the old concept of the asylum, maybe call them psychiatric hospitals. I'm very wary of giving the state power to lock people up who haven't committed a crime against anybody, but here are the pro and cons of this as I see them.   

       Pro: If I personally were out of control and addicted to drugs, I'd rather live in a warm room with food while I detoxed. If I was never able to stay off drugs, I'd rather have an existence with clean bedding, food and water maybe with a TV and internet to keep my mind relatively busy.   

       Con: The state is locking up people against their will. Yes, it's for their own good, but weren't the gulags and internment camps for the good of the people? I don't trust the government to start locking people up for drug addiction then to start locking up people for incorrect political thoughts, something that I'm afraid has a lot of support in my country right now. Paranoid? Yea, probably, but still. Locking up millions of people and effectively throwing away the key isn't something to be done without a lot of rules based on humanity towards our fellow man.   

       3- Housing that supplies them with the drugs they're addicted to. Like the other two, hardly a panacea, but like I said at first, I really don't have the solution.   

       Love to hear other options, I simply don't know.
doctorremulac3, Jan 17 2022
  

       Legalize. The trade in illegal drugs does way more harm to addicts and to society than just letting them buy and sell their drugs legally would. Keeping the street price of drugs high is what causes most of the crime and misery. And a lot of the health problems.
Voice, Jan 17 2022
  

       Having libertarian leanings I've always supported the de-criminalization of drugs, but I'd add responsibility for the safety of the product being put on the dealer. You sell a product killing thousands of people you're going to prison and every penny you made goes to the family of the person who died from your product, be it drugs, a soft drink or toothpaste.   

       So weed that I've always supported the legalization of has proven to be the right move. Nobody's dying from it. But what about drugs that are killing people? Yes, you could say alcohol and cigarettes kill people but not a lot of people have died thinking they were smoking a Marlboro that turned out to be made of Fontanel.   

       The main impediment to solving the many problems society faces is this false choice binary group vs group thing that's supposed to be the arena where we solve all our issues. What do the Republicans say? What do the Democrats say? I belong to one group so I support whatever they say because I hate that other group. Okay, but what if these groups chose the issues we're going to fight over to suit their needs? To distract from the real issues? In my country the homeless problem has been solved. Reagan caused it so we can close the books and declare victory. I won't get into that cover story leaving out that Democrats have totally controlled California for a while now, Reagan's been dead for coming on several weeks now so to blame him is well... see where that goes? Now I'm not talking about solutions any more. But you try to breach the subject here in my home state, that's where it goes.   

       As a political non binary I've been hated by the right for wanting to legalize drugs, and demonized by the left for wanting to replace coal with nuclear power so I live without the comfort of the prescriptive method of viewing the world "My group, god, political party etc tells me this, so that's what I believe."   

       Yea, everybody on both sides hates you if the subject of politics comes up but at least I can live with myself.   

       But again, I don't have the solution to this problem but putting it ahead in importance before the debate on gender neutral bathrooms and appropriate pronouns or abortion abolition might be a good start.   

       Or we can just blame Reagan, hoist our virtue signal flag and start dealing with the real issues, like Trump having an orange face or woman having the right to chose if they're going to carry a baby to term or have to be locked up because they aren't ready to be a mother currently.   

       So I guess my rant wrap up would be "Can we agree that this problem needs to be solved and find some Venn diagram overlap where we can at least start working together to solve the problem?"   

       Unfortunately I already know the answer.
doctorremulac3, Jan 17 2022
  

       fontanel: membrane covering incompletely knit skull bones; the 'soft spot' on a baby's head   

       Fentanyl: a powerful anaesthetic opioid   

       //16 years on this site [...] not one spelling correction// Sorry about this [doc]. Side effects of Covid include amnesia and aphasia, so that may explain your new collection of spelling corrections.   

       Recent inappropriately applied MFDs have no excuse; please ignore them and carry on with your ideas and analyses.
Sgt Teacup, Jan 17 2022
  

       Thank you Sarge, don't get me wrong, I actually appreciate spelling corrections, and that's a pretty big difference in this case.   

       I actually appreciate appropriate WKTEs as well. I generally acknowledge the redundancy and leave them up for a day before taking them down.   

       As far as my horrible spelling, I'm just a horrible speller. I could proof read my posts but... naaa.
doctorremulac3, Jan 17 2022
  

       //Maybe our unions could avert this bullshit// re the layoff of unvaccinated?   

       Sad to say but our unions are largely backing this bullshit, the Labour party fully back it, best I can tell they think there should be more of it, & most of the unions still back the Labour party (despite the fact it actively hates the working class now) so I wouldn't hold out too much hope of them being our saviours to be honest, they'll shout against it if the Conservatives are doing it of course but then do a full 180 if labour get in & want to do it harder than the Conservatives did.
Skewed, Jan 17 2022
  

       //Idiot-proof holster//   

       There been a new police shooting in the media somewhere that I've missed then?   

       [Later edit: ah, I see, no, an old one popping back up in the news because they finally finished up the court case on it]   

       That aside, how about a holster that only unlocks after they pass a forty question IQ test with a score adequate to prove they're not an idiot? just for title accuracy.   

       You might want to aim a little higher than anything above a 25 IQ though [link], unless you're OK with imbeciles & morons with guns?
Skewed, Jan 17 2022
  

       I've been told that some police departments basically ask if they know which direction to point the gun and give you a badge.   

       The major Bay Area city PD my son works puts you through a grueling ordeal of testing, psychological and otherwise (which is good) and I think they actually did a background check on ME, the father of the applicant. I had to fill out a form anyway so I assume they looked me up to make sure I wasn't a terrorist or something.   

       The more testing the better I say.
doctorremulac3, Jan 17 2022
  

       a1, that's interesting. Almost funny in a very dark humor fashion.
21 Quest, Jan 20 2022
  

       I most passionately disagree. Our police should not have looser restrictions on use of deadly force than our military, and the very fact that they HAVE such training should mean they are held to a HIGHER standard of responsibility than a civilian gun owner in a defensive situation. The "I was afraid for my life" excuse should be categorically revoked from uniformed officers. With your training and the authority already given you, you don't GET to act on fear. Period. That's called cowardice and should be penalized heavily.
21 Quest, Jan 21 2022
  

       What to be done about the Blue Wall, then, the tendency of so many cops to go the defense of the bad ones? Kim Potter seemed to have a LOT of support among police.
21 Quest, Jan 21 2022
  

       If we had more people willing to be cops, we could have a sabbatical program in which they don't carry their firearm for a bit and don't arrest people, but could assist in emergency needs. That could perhaps make the wall more of a fuzzy hedge perhaps?
RayfordSteele, Jan 21 2022
  

       I like that idea for many reasons, Rayford, but most of these police brutality incidents seem to involve experienced, veteran officers.
21 Quest, Jan 21 2022
  

       Exactly. They should go on sabbatical. Not a trial internship. Reintegrate them for awhile into Regular Joe status after x many years.
RayfordSteele, Jan 21 2022
  

       [a1] Pretty much everything on the police belt is snapped, including the holsters (taser and firearm). This is deliberate so it's not as easy for someone to grab their weapons. Going into a situation where it might be needed, the officer will unsnap. Then, yes, the flap holds out of the way and it's designed for quick draw.   

       And just an aside, 2020 and 2021 were the deadliest years for US police on record. With Covid representing more than 2/3rds of the deaths both years. Officers that claim to be afraid of getting shot, but refuse the vaccine are lying or innumerate.
MechE, Jan 21 2022
  

       One of the advantages of legalizing drugs is that you can regulate the product. No one buying heroin at a government licensed dispensary is likely to get improperly cut fentanyl instead.
MechE, Jan 21 2022
  

       //Pretty much everything on the police belt is snapped, including the holsters (taser and firearm). This is deliberate so it's not as easy for someone to grab their weapons.//   

       Police also run a lot, can't have an unsecured gun bouncing out of its holster while you're running at full speed, especially one with a round in the chamber.
doctorremulac3, Jan 21 2022
  

       //Sad to say but our unions are largely backing this bullshit, the Labour party fully back it, best I can tell they think there should be more of it, & most of the unions still back the Labour party (despite the fact it actively hates the working class now) so I wouldn't hold out too much hope of them being our saviours//   

       Oh you mean the new meaning the word "Union" has become.   

       No no, as with so many other bastardized meanings, I mean the original definition of the word.   

       A union of truckers. Fuck the actual capitulating organization.
A union of real men.
[link]
  

       We are SO done with this bullshit.   

       Y'know... "real" men.
Those who demand that mandates make fucking sense before writing laws which allow power-mongers to fuck up our lives at whim.
basically...
  

       how 'bout no?   

       //What to be done about the Blue Wall//   

       Body cameras with streaming backup to multiple WORM server rooms and a liberal policy on allowing public access.
Voice, Jan 26 2022
  

       Pretty safe to assume all body cam videos are made available to people who are recorded being arrested since it's evidence.   

       Thought it was open public record in California but upon checking they've got some reasonable rules about releasing stuff that would be detrimental to the person on the video. If they're naked for instance. Put up a pretty interesting link to the state by state laws on the subject.
doctorremulac3, Jan 26 2022
  

       So... the truckers union seems to be spreading to Australia. How 'bout that?   

       G'day mates.   

       What you've got to do is grab the snake by the tail see... and then fork it's head...
... like so.
  

       Fair-bloody-dinkum.   

       I better shut up before I get shut up.   

       Shhhhhhh!...   

       it's best if you don't discuss being free   

       bad things might spontaneously happen without anybody accountable actually causing them   

       ...   

       oh no...   

       ...not again...   

       ...that could never possibly ever happen again, oh heavens no.   

       //Pretty safe to assume all body cam videos are made available to people who are recorded being arrested since it's evidence.//   

       Data from body cams and even prison cell security cameras for people named Epstein have a way of getting lost and corrupted at the most inconvenient times.
Voice, Jan 29 2022
  

       But Epstein killed himself. The fact that the cellmate was taken out of the cell hours before, the security cameras malfunctioned, the guards who were supposed to check on him forgot to do their rounds that night was just a coincidence.   

       It was also just an oversight that when the FBI found all those videos labeled with the names of famous people having sex with underage girls they left them there because the agents investigating didn't have a warrant for that particular evidence so they left it up to the workers at the compound to guard them till they could get back with the correct paperwork. Then all those videos just disappeared because somebody thought they weren't important and recycled them maybe because recycling is good for the environment.   

       Now let's talk about that bridge in Brooklyn I'm pretty sure I can get you a real good price on.
doctorremulac3, Jan 29 2022
  

       <deep nasal inhale>   

       I love the smell of diesel from a small fringe minority in the morning.   

       Wait, you'll see how every single other Canadian city and township followed suit because we couldn't make it to the ball ourselves.   

       ...if "they" let you see of course.   

       Will "they"...   

       ... let you see?   

       ...or will you have to look it up for yourselves?   

       'That' more than anything else tells you the scale of the fuckery. Just saying...   

       We're not listening to this shit anymore. Who's with us? Nobody? Fine then, we'll do it our own fucking selves!   

       Watch and learn.   

       Nothing to say?...   

       ...   

       Imagine that...   

       Mandates will be gone, day after tomorrow.
Your move billionaire asswipes.
  

       Shall we escalate?   

       ...you candy-ass sons of whores?
Are you so bent on learning fear?
  

       We will be happy to teach you.   

       We'll be so polite and sorry that you need to be taught in the first place.   

       ...but teach you, we will.   

       ...peacefully eh.   

       Seven million so far on go-fund-me for the truckers.
Do you really need us to become a conglomerate billionaire to make this shit fuck off?
  

       That's doable, you Pieces Of Shit, (formerly abbreviated from POS which some might have not understood).   

       Push it ...   

       I fucking dare you.   

       Asswipes...   

       I personally am not a billionaire asswipe. I am a would-be billionaire asswipe.
4and20, Jan 30 2022
  

       I know that if this asswipe had a billion dollars I'd be doing a lot more than taking buddies on space flights.   

       Oh the propaganda on our "news" sources is funny.
Apparently we are a country-wide small fringe minority who are only gaining scorn and derision for our unacceptable demands.
Not one single voice from the people themselves allowed, only any negative aspect they can dredge up.
No word about every other Canadian city showing overwhelming support.
Our Prime Minister hiding.
The go fund me bank account for this small-fringe-minority convoy is now well over eight million in two days.
  

       We had a Canada wide slow-drive through our cities yesterday.
You won't see that on the news.
I live in a very small town and the convoy we were in yesterday stretched from our town all the way to the nearest city.
That won't be shown on the news. All those flags and signs just didn't happen. Nothing to see here, move along.
  

       It's a shame that my little sign won't make the news.
I worked so hard on it for like almost ten whole minutes.
[link]
  

       If you need to find an example of strong and apparently quite closed unions, look no farther than Hollywood. Just as an example, the closing credits for the Peanuts movie claimed that something like 10,000 people worked on the production. It's a wonder there aren't more explicitly pro-union Hollywood films.
4and20, Jan 31 2022
  

       I oppose the mandate on the basis of liberty, but there aren't enough truck drivers in the protest, they're not willing to actually stop delivering, and they're not united. As such there's no way they'll accomplish their goals.
Voice, Jan 31 2022
  

       //facebook//   

       I have Facebook blocked at the hosts level. Would you kindly upload the picture elsewhere?
Voice, Jan 31 2022
  

       //Would you kindly upload the picture elsewhere?//   

       It just says;
[SHOVE YOUR MANDATES UP YOUR A$$ETS]
  

       //strong and apparently quite closed unions, look no farther than Hollywood.//   

       Yep, that's a pretty tight knit group.   

       //but there aren't enough truck drivers in the protest, they're not willing to actually stop delivering, and they're not united. As such there's no way they'll accomplish their goals.//   

       Well, right now we are just going to camp out until our government acknowledges that a majority of Canadians are behind them. It will end when they know in no uncertain terms that their power of mandates have been revoked by "the people" they actually work for. Or there are a lot more trucks coming.   

       It will be peaceful, but they are literally trying to use media to inform all of us Canadians that we are only a small fringe element not worth listening to.
If they don't back the fuck down and lose the mandates then I suspect, (from the amount of support they have from us), that a literal majority of us will actually join them there and shut down that entire province until we are heard.
  

       The latest mandate was just the twig that broke the beavers back.
This has nothing to do with border crossings and everything to do with stopping tyranny in it's tracks.
  

       The mandates go or our current government does.   

       If the next version of government doesn't listen then 'peaceful' goes out the window.   

       ...   

       Don't shoot the messenger.   

       ...or do, it really makes no difference in the long run.   

       I like the story of the Japanese bus strike where the workers kept their cities running but refused to take payment from the people.   

       Only the bosses suffer from such a scenario.   

       Our goods will get where they need to go. We pull together when shit goes sideways.
It's just what real folks do.
  

       Maybe we even find out that we don't really need all the middle men.
<gasp>
  

       or maybe the middle men get a clue in time.
<shrugs>
  

       It's all just so up in the air isn't it?   

       ...back to you Phil.   

       Heh.   

       The mayor of Ottawa called every tow truck company to get the rigs moved from parliament and every one of them told him that they have covid and can't come out.   

       I'm sure it should only take a couple of weeks to flatten the curve.   

       Hey man, gotta follow the science right? Can't be towing stuff when you got COVID.   

       And the entire industry getting it at the same time? Hey, shit happens.
doctorremulac3, Feb 02 2022
  

       It is in direct response to our Prime Minister refusing to address our demands saying that he had contact with someone with covid so was self quarantining for five days, then changed his tune to testing positive to avoid legitimizing our country-wide protest for a two week quarantine while he prays for a blizzard.   

       As concession for continuing to screw our lives over our government recently instituted five sick days off with pay per year for every Canadian citizen.   

       I could certainly see us all deciding to cash in our sick days simultaneously and have us a little impromptu trans-can winter festival road trip...   

       ...with pay!   

       2 fries, you're a scholar and a gentleman.
21 Quest, Feb 02 2022
  

       Hear, hear.
doctorremulac3, Feb 02 2022
  

       Not me of course, I mean I'm up for the drive, I just don't qualify for getting sick days, but for everyone else?   

       WooHoo!   

       Well they've seized the funding, the organizers eyes look to me as though they've been bought now, (go figure), and the prime minister, (that should normally be capitalized but... fuck, earn that title), has gone ostrich.   

       I'm only going to say this once. Please comprehend.   

       The extent to which you compress the will of the people is the extent of the explosion you create.   

       If this explosion is your goal then carry on.
If not... then, compliance is culpability.
  

       Choose carefully.   

       Just for clarity, [2 fries], which particular "they" have seized which funds? Are we talking about the events described in this BBC link?   

       If so, then this quote...   

       "Most demonstrators have left," Chief Sloly said. "What remains is a highly determined and highly volatile group of unlawful individuals."   

       ... is a little worrying; I wonder what an "unlawful individual" looks like: if, instead of charging me with a particular offense, someone just described me as an "unlawful individual", that might make me feel a bit volatile. I hope this is just clumsy phrasing by a stressed- out and inarticulate policeman, but it doesn't sound good.
pertinax, Feb 05 2022
  

       "They" would be Go Fund Me in this case or rather whomever applied enough pressure to ensure that the ten million we raised to see this thing through has evaporated.
They cite things like seeing a confederate flag <gasp> which seems very suspiciously to have been planted by our prime minister himself if the fact that the photographer of the picture in question is none other than Trudeau's personal photographer is any indication. [link]
  

       The guy's a joke.   

       Of course there are fewer demonstrators now. For one it's colder than a witches tit out, and for another some folks still have to work.   

       We are having another country-wide, read that again...
"Country Wide"
slow drive through our cities later today in support of the truckers who speak for us.
Not that the last one even made it on our news.
  

       Ordinary citizens don't raise ten million in a couple of days for fringe groups.   

       What the world is being told and what is actually going on here are two completely different things. When news of anything is entirely one-sided you already know it's bullshit.   

       Sure hope Go Fund Me has thought this through. It kind of raises questions of their companies' legitimacy.   

       Are they going to seize Every account that gets large?   

       Gofundme was the second name they came up with. The first had two different letters but marketing thought it didn't portray the image they wanted.
doctorremulac3, Feb 05 2022
  

       Huh...   

       Welp... there's fifteen minutes I'll never get back. [link]   

       A literal false flag event.
doctorremulac3, Feb 05 2022
  

       Yep.   

       ...and now they want everyone to stop using the word "Protest", because protests are protected by our charter of rights and freedoms. They wish to replace the word protest with the word "Occupation" which would grant the government the ability to use military force against its citizens.   

       Apparently a week from now all premiers and Trudeau will meet to decide whether to invoke the Emergency Measures Act which will remove all Canadian rights and freedoms for a period of five years when it will come up for review.   

       If they do this... all bets are off.   

       Not that it is in any way a threat, but, they seem to forget that eighty percent of gun owners here told them to go pound salt through three separate amnesties when told to register our weapons... and that our military are our fathers, mothers, sons, daughters, cousins, friends, etc...   

       Maybe they stand with us with their weapons?...   

       The mandates go or our government does.   

       We seem to have spontaneously decided to become an unpalatable throat piercing morsel if ingested... or injested.   

       ...and I swear.   

       I have yet to be prouder of my fellow sheep.   

       TOGETHER WE BLEAT!   

       I totally get the totalitarian aspect of Anglo-Saxon rationalism. But the struggle against rationalism and insanity may often be married cousins.
4and20, Feb 06 2022
  
      
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