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New Awards for Old Movies

Instead of Oscars 2021
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Oscars 2020 had no host

Oscars 2021 might have no movies

Since the shooting schedules are massively affected, and since Spielberg's rule (that eligible movies must be shown in theaters) is impossible to follow...

Instead of Oscars 2021, create a produced show of all the old great movies and performances that have been overlooked by Oscars.

theircompetitor, Apr 13 2020

Right at Your Door https://www.imdb.co...67/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
Interesting [8th of 7, Apr 13 2020]


       "Right at Your Door" might do well ... <link>   

       And of course "Contagion", and "Outbreak" ...
8th of 7, Apr 13 2020

       This is very good. Also might serve to shame Hollywood for creating such a crapfactory by comparing old quality products to the new assembly line garbage comic book re-hash flicks that are the mainstay of the industry now.
doctorremulac3, Apr 13 2020

       Ah, nostalgia isn't what it used to be ...   

       The public get what they pay for. Nobody spends millions making a movie that won't sell, so careful research is done. The result is that the studios know that what the public will pay for is poor-quality third-rate mindless rubbish.   

       So that's exactly what they get.   

       If they want something different, and will pay to watch it, that's what they'll get too.
8th of 7, Apr 13 2020

       There's two reasons to get into any industry, to advance the art form, or to set it back for financial gain. Sort of like getting into medicine and realizing "Hey, people are stupid and will take herbal crap and I'll make more money. Real medicine takes research, time and investment. A simple lie brings immediate financial gain. I'll get a big house, a car that can go faster than I'll ever drive and a trophy wife who hates me but loves my money!"   

       Hollywood has discovered the profitable latter concept, but investing in a crappy product isn't always the smartest long term move. (not that they care) Eventually they'll wonder why nobody goes to the movies anymore.
doctorremulac3, Apr 13 2020

       .... at which point another entity will arise to fill that economic/ecological niche.   

       Live theatre goes back millennia. Until 150 years ago it was the only option, so the audience paid for what they could get.   

       Then came photography, magic lanterns, finally movies. Live performances were partially supplanted, but survived.   

       Then came television. Live performance gained a new outlet. Movies were pressured, but evolved and survived.   

       Then came the internet ...   

       <Looks around/>   

       Now, class, is anyone seeing a pattern here ?   

       [doc], would you like to come up to the front and explain to everyone what conclusions, if any, can be drawn ?   

       If you wouldn't, there are other options, but we assure you that all of them are substantially more unpleasant for you than the one immediately offered.
8th of 7, Apr 13 2020

       (Steps up, aggressively grabs the pointer stick.)   

       As the information flows faster and faster, the human mind's wiring will evolve to adjust. Entertainment is one area where the data flow is going to have to keep up. This little dip where an entire industry wasted the good work of the people who created that industry is endemic of that change, but it isn't the cause.   

       The hours of sitting quietly and reading a book will be gone, an anachronism like a 5 megabyte hard drive the size of a washing machine. The stories are still valid, but Moby Dick and Nineteen Eighty Four will have to be assimilated in a matter of seconds, not hours.   

       The mechanism for this data transfer is unclear, but the science of data technology is only about six seconds old in the grand scheme of things. While this evolution takes place, creators of entertainment will need to find ways to keep people's attention in the meantime.   

       For instance, see how sleepy you're getting? With each word I write, neurons and synapses are looking desperately for something else to stimulate and trigger them.   

       And like a light-switch.... they're onto another task, and you're looking at something about custard.   

       I know I am. I almost fell asleep writing that.
doctorremulac3, Apr 13 2020

       That's because it's time for you to step into your regeneration alcove to recharge.   

       You have done well, and as a reward you will be allowed to sit some distance away from [Voice], thus sparing you the unpleasant odour of warm, damp, urine-soaked garments (other than your own, that is).
8th of 7, Apr 13 2020

       //Nobody spends millions making a movie that won't sell//   

       Actually, that does sometimes happen.
pertinax, Apr 14 2020

       But not by design.
doctorremulac3, Apr 14 2020

       I'd prefer to get rid of those obnoxious award shows altogether. This seems like the perfect opportunity.
tatterdemalion, Apr 14 2020

       And mindless superhero movies do quite well in China. A guy in a cape flying through the air and punching a bad guy in the face doesn’t need a lot of dialog. Or plot, or creativity, or artistry. But China buys it so enjoy your new art controllers America. And your incredibly mindless assembly line movies.
doctorremulac3, Apr 14 2020

       // mindless assembly line //   

       1. America buys cheap mindless assembly line consumer goods from China.   

       2. China buys cheap mindless assembly line consumer movies from America.   

       Repeat indefinitely.   

       This is not "art". The stereotype of the "artist starving in a garret" is predicated on the fact that true artists are often driven to create whether their creations are saleable or not. Artists who make any money from their work are a small minority, but they continue to create.   

       Movies, like TV, are a consumer product. Thus they are driven by what will sell, not what is "artistic". "Art" movies are indeed made, and very occasionally one bobs up into the mainstream, but mostly they are merely a cost to their creators.   

       However, it would be wrong to categorize them as "vanity projects". They are rarely created for reasons of personal vanity, but more the "creative impulse".
8th of 7, Apr 14 2020

       The thing is, art and practical commerce aren't mutually exclusive.   

       The Star Trek franchise was very successful. It was created by and American B-17 pilot who flew many missions in the Pacific in WW2. Working class guy, very smart. After he served, became a motorcycle cop in southern California. In his spare time he worked on screen writing gigs, wrote for western tv shows etc. Came up with an idea for what he called "wagon trains to space".   

       Gene Rodenberry created his secular humanist view of the future with lots stories about how mankind might approach theoretical challenges with exciting stories of discovery, bravery, technology and being in the hight of the cold war, even left open the possibility that our former enemy, the Russians, might be given low level jobs taking directions from Americans as we flew our starships about the universe finding green women to bang. The English, Scottish, whatever, would be employed in the engine room given consideration that they did technically invent the first engine. Hillbillies would be allowed on the bridge if they could provide proof that they've been certified as a doctor able to use the medical technology which made procedures which were formerly very complicated as easy as pointing a ballpoint pen that made a whirring noise at the person's head.   

       It was quite socially progressive. It had vision, it had guts and it had financial success.   

       As of July 2016, the Star Trek franchise has made ten billion dollars in revenue.   

       However that's a long term visionary investment. Stupid people wouldn't be able to do that. Looking at a short term bottom line is easy, any idiot with a Harvard degree can do that, and they do.
doctorremulac3, Apr 14 2020

       // aren't mutually exclusive //   

       This is correct. There are always outliers.   

       But on the average, P. T. Barnum had it nailed.
8th of 7, Apr 14 2020

       But where is he now? Dead that's how.
doctorremulac3, Apr 14 2020

       So are you all ... eventually.   

       <Obligatory Blade Runner Misquote>   

       "Too bad you won't live ... but then again, who does ?"   

8th of 7, Apr 14 2020

       Here, have an origami unicorn.
wagster, Apr 18 2020

       Awwww, thankyou ....   

       <Carefully places unicorn on shelf next to Voight-Kampff machine/>
8th of 7, Apr 18 2020

       The value money is set in society. dictates the outcomes. Set high. every one will be doing all the tricks in the book to get the return and stay on the escalator. The pressure on everyone then increases to follow suit and the large money good/average movies result.   

       Set lower, other dimensions on society can come into play and people are freer to do what they want, for better or worse. Artistic and new thought lines then have capital to widen movie possibilities.   

       Basically. the virtual realm has warped basic monetary value and I don't know how this will be redressed. Hopefully money ends up being just tool in humanities life rather than a goal supported by the burning of human life.   

       By the way, Oscar's for unheard of movies is a good idea.
wjt, Apr 22 2020

       //the virtual realm has warped basic monetary value//   

       What does unwarped basic monetary value look like, and what are the boundaries of the virtual realm, [wjt]? If you can give good answers to those questions, then some accountants in Panama will be very keen to buy you lunch.
pertinax, Apr 22 2020

       //What does unwarped basic monetary //   

       I'll trade you this little empty Manhattan island which just has lots of big rocks and trees, for that great shell necklace
theircompetitor, Apr 22 2020

       //What does unwarped basic monetary value look like//   

       True that, it's hard putting a price on large groups of ones and zeros that can be copied in a blink of an eye and supplied on a very low cost communication system.
wjt, Apr 23 2020

       Monetary "value" at anything more than a barter level is just a social consensus, an abstraction, a consensually-shared illusion. It has no objective reality.   

       It's just one of the many things that humans invent to make their lives more difficult and miserable.
8th of 7, Apr 23 2020

       Yes, of course it does. Politicians use it all the time. Most people are predisposed to be fooled if they can be convinced that they can get something for nothing.   

       Some people came up with money and market prices so that they could exploit other people who had a less clear understanding. John Law; the South Sea bubble; the Railway mania; Tulip mania; the Dot-Com boom-and bust. Result ? Misery for the many, enrichment for the few.   

       Oh, and Mr. Ponzi.   

       Wikipedia will be your friend on that one.
8th of 7, Apr 23 2020

       "Some" indicates "not all" - i.e. a minority. This group recognises the innate weakness of the majority, and sets out to exploit it.   

       While the majority do indeed benefit -most of the time - from an abstracted system of exchange, it also creates inherent vulnerabilities. For example, it allows governments to depreciate the currency, impoverishing the already poor to the benefit of the wealthy and powerful, who tend to invest in non-depreciating assets such as land.   

       Textbooks on basic economics are available online free of charge if you wish to study them You don't even have to barter.   

       // little //   

       We are of above-average stature.
8th of 7, Apr 23 2020

       <Emperor Palpatine>   

       "Goood .... gooood.... let the hate flow through you ... give in to your anger .... good ..."   

       <Gloating chuckle/>   

       </Emperor Palpatine>
8th of 7, Apr 23 2020

       Hey, how come there's a flame war here and I'm not at the center of it?   

       Could we please check the invitations again? I think there's been some mistake.
doctorremulac3, Apr 23 2020

       Shhh, if you want to spar, we'll meet you outside, please don't spoil this. We saw him first, find your own victim to pick on.
8th of 7, Apr 23 2020

       Less of a flame war, more of a kicking match with a millipede, but we'll take whatever we can get to relieve the monotony.
8th of 7, Apr 23 2020


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