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Trump Hitler Law

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Godwin's Law asserts that as soon as Adolf Hitler or Nazis are mentioned in a forum thread, then that thread is effectively ended as far as reasonable discussion is concerned.

A new "law" is proposed in addition to Godwin's Law, but substitutiing "Donald Trump" for "Adolf Hitler".

8th of 7, Jun 06 2016

Trump + Hitler = Hitler http://images.huffi...hitlertimefaux1.jpg
[xenzag, Jun 06 2016]

"Everybody I Don't Like Is Hitler" http://imgur.com/SjQclIQ
A child's guide to online political discussion. [doctorremulac3, Mar 20 2017]

https://xkcd.com/261/ [hippo, May 07 2020]

Liquid Death sparkling water. https://liquiddeath.com
Tastes good, I'd like a little heavier carbonation. It's similar to Perrier but with more references to sadistic murder and violent death. [doctorremulac3, May 07 2020]

The World Turned Upside Down https://www.nytimes...ng-the-english.html
as viewed through the lens of America in 1973 [calum, May 20 2020]

The Thirty Years War http://www.thefrumi...ar-by-c-v-wedgwood/
through the lens of some internet rando [calum, May 20 2020]

North Minehead By-Election https://www.youtube...watch?v=hWIyVRNAxCg
...by Python, Monty. [DrBob, May 27 2020]

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       By mentioning Hitler, Trump and (meta) Godwin's Law in the idea body, is this entire idea //effectively ended as far as reasonable discussion is concerned// ?
mitxela, Jun 06 2016
  

       Given that Trump and Hitler are identical and interchangeable in every way, there has to be some way to permanently separate them. Perhaps Hitler could somehow get Trump's Mexican friends to build another wall, to keep them from constantly being in each other's company, though it would be a shame to see them kept apart.
xenzag, Jun 06 2016
  

       Isn't it odd how you never see Trump and Hitler together at the same time ?   

       // is this entire idea //effectively ended as far as reasonable discussion is concerned// //   

       That's just the sort of thing Nazis would say, [mit]...
8th of 7, Jun 06 2016
  

       I think there's a new one born every generation. Sort of like an anti dalai lama.
RayfordSteele, Jun 06 2016
  

       He also loved dogs, made the trains run on time, and opposed the sale of Indulgences by the Catholic church ... what's not to like ?
8th of 7, Jun 07 2016
  

       What [RayfordSteele] said. It's light versus dark. Been there since the dawn of time. No light without dark, no dark without light. Bingo. And I didn't even mention either assholes.
blissmiss, Jun 07 2016
  

       Thankfully looks like we get spared the Sanders Lenin comparison
theircompetitor, Jun 07 2016
  

       In Germany, I suspect the trains already ran on time.   

       History-of-ideas footnote: I believe the origin of Godwin's Law can be traced back to Adorno's "Negative Dialectic" (Frankfurt 1966). This book gave Nazism the status of a sort of metaphysical absolute, so that, thereafter, ethics could be defined on a foundation of "anything but that". With hindsight, the path from there to "You're the Nazi!" "No, you are!" should, perhaps, have been predicted.
pertinax, Jun 07 2016
  

       Colonel Sanders looks nothing like John Lennon. Not even the same style of glasses. Can't sing, either.
RayfordSteele, Jun 07 2016
  

       True, tho his lyrics aren't bad. But overall, as a group they'd have been nowhere without McCartney.   

       // dark without light. //   

       <incipient pedantry>   

       Actually, that's exactly what dark is, because ...   

       <recalls [bliss]'s tennis-playing style and resolution not to provoke her>   

       </incipient pedantry>
8th of 7, Jun 07 2016
  

       I actually thought about that myself, but then thought no one would notice and said it anyway. Ha.
blissmiss, Jun 07 2016
  

       I'm still on for a crowd-funded shutdown of twitter until the next election...
not_morrison_rm, Mar 19 2017
  

       Reagan, Nixon, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, Bush1, Bush 2, Clinton1, Fillmore, Lincoln, Washington, Roosevelt 1, Roosevelt 2. Only one of these makes me want to slightly upchuck.   

       But not gonna write the T word, No Nope ain't gonna do it. Back, Back, I say.
popbottle, Mar 19 2017
  

       No Eisenhower? Isn't that the last president we can all agree on? Yes? No? Kicked ass in warfare but warned of the military industrial complex. Build the highway system as a national project but was a big time capitalist. Screwed up the U2 thing but other than that did about as good as I've ever seen a president do.   

       In fact, I've never heard anybody who doesn't like Ike. Maybe we should have somebody run on a "What would Ike do?" platform.
doctorremulac3, Mar 19 2017
  

       No, those days are past.   

       "O brave new world, which has such features in it !"   

       // Kicked ass in warfare //   

       Debatable. Ike was a coalition leader, not a field commander; he did the job well enough, but through capable subordinates, not personally.   

       Field Marshal The Viscount Montgomery of Alamein described him as "Nice bloke, not a soldier."
8th of 7, Mar 19 2017
  

       Well, by today's standards let's put it this way:   

       He didn't fuck it up.   

       I'll settle for that in this day and age.
doctorremulac3, Mar 20 2017
  

       Which will promote more mental growth - Why did that conversation suddenly go dead because of some strange rule? or Strange, that fact, that supports their feeling of the argument, isn't one I have heard before.
wjt, Mar 22 2017
  

       We suggest that it is called the Tindale Index, in memory of the late Ian Tindale.
8th of 7, Apr 03 2017
  

       Well, maybe it could be the Eladnit Index, in memory of the late Ian Tindale.
8th of 7, Apr 03 2017
  

       Here's the difference: Mentions of Hitler punctuate all POLITICAL discussions.Yyou could be talking about shoelaces and Trump would eventually be brought up.
doctorremulac3, May 02 2020
  

       I'm not so sure of that. I've seen people called Hitler for nonpolitical posts elsewhere.
RayfordSteele, May 07 2020
  

       True.   

       Citing Hitler is the ketchup of conversation, you can put it on anything but it's not necessarily good.   

       Apologies for overusing the tired old Hitler/ketchup comparison.
doctorremulac3, May 07 2020
  

       "Hitler's Tomato Ketchup" ?   

       "Hitler's 57 Varieties" - all others are forced into cattle trucks and taken away to camps ...
8th of 7, May 07 2020
  

       That reminds me of a clickbait product that recently purchased because I thought the ad was kind of funny. It's a canned sparkling water that brags about "murdering your thirst".   

       Then I read the small print on the can, it not only describes in grusome detail how it murders your thirst, it gets into basically torturing it.   

       I'm fine with painlessely putting my thirst to sleep in a non cruel fashion, I don't need to hear its screams of agony.
doctorremulac3, May 07 2020
  

       You'll never get promoted to Sturmbannführer with an attitude like that ...
8th of 7, May 07 2020
  

       I can think of no other world leader who has been so often compared to Hitler than Trump. They just go together so well. I suppose if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc, then it's Hitler! Ha... Trumpdolf, the only elected leader in the entire history of the world to recommend injecting yourself with bleach.
xenzag, May 07 2020
  

       // Trumpdolf //   

       No, no no, you can either elide "Donald and "Adolf", or "Trump" and "Hitler".   

       So you could have "Donolf", or "Adnald", or "Trumpler" ...   

       But it doesn't make sense to mash together part of a first name with part of a last name.
8th of 7, May 07 2020
  

       //I can think of no other world leader who has been so often compared to Hitler than Trump.//   

       So if Trump is worse than Hitler, I guess that means Hitler is better than Trump?   

       Can you elaborate on that Xen? List specifically how Hitler is a better than Trump.   

       This should be interesting.
doctorremulac3, May 07 2020
  

       oh jesus, I'm away for a couple of days and this...
theircompetitor, May 07 2020
  

       Hey, I'm completely down with not talking about Trump anymore.   

       What's achieved by this?   

       Xen, seriously, how much time do you spend every day obsessing about this guy?
doctorremulac3, May 07 2020
  

       There you go..... Inviting and even looking forward to comparisons being made between Hitler and Trump. My point is proven yet again.
xenzag, May 07 2020
  

       Boy, if there's a subject that's more interesting than talking about Donald Trump over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over I have yet to hear about it.
doctorremulac3, May 07 2020
  

       Unless of course it would be talking about Donald Trump over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, andover, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over.
doctorremulac3, May 07 2020
  

       The above is a riddle. Can you find the city in Maryland hidden in the previous post?   

       By the way, the commas represent a pause, don't read this quickly, read "and over" then give a long reverant pause before reading the next one. Maybe I need those three dots that actually have a name.
doctorremulac3, May 07 2020
  

       Hold on a second, I think I might have though of something that's even more interesting than talking about Donald Trump over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over.   

       I'll have to work it a bit, but I'll post it shortly. Now it's just a theory in the works, but I think I really might be on to something.
doctorremulac3, May 07 2020
  

       Doc, seriously, how much time do you spend every day obsessing about this guy? Ha! He lives in your brain, along with his constantly whirring helicopter.
xenzag, May 07 2020
  

       Got it!   

       Xen, you're a genius! You've showed me the error of my ways for thinking about anything else other than Donald Trump all these years! How could I have been such a fool? Here's what we'll do from now on! Instead of talking about anything else, we'll just talk about the only thing that's more interesting than the idea above! We'll talk about Donald Trump over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, andover, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, andover, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over!
doctorremulac3, May 07 2020
  

       Oh my god... it just hit me.... there is... possibly... one more thing that's even MORE interesting than the idea I just posted above.   

       Hold on, I'll have to work on it, but I believe it might be the single greatest concept man has ever come up with. Stand by, you'll want to refresh your screen every few seconds...
doctorremulac3, May 07 2020
  

       The history of ketchup is actually mildly interesting. Chinese fish sau   

       <insert two minutes hate>DIE DONALD DIE LIKE THE FETID NINKUMTURD YOU ARE!!!</tmh>   

       ce gets Americanized, goes bigtime.   

       Andover is a high school in Bloomfield Michigan where I used to live.
RayfordSteele, May 07 2020
  

       I strongly disagree! The history of catch-up is actually fascinating as is the history of other foods from that time such as Coca-Cola a cure for stomach illness originally contained cocaine. These products were made to deal with the fact that before refrigeration meet especially if you lived in the city, had a tendency to be rotten. Catchup and specifically Hines catch up was made popular because it would cover up the taste of this rotted meat. Oh wait what am I saying yeah trump trump trump trump trump whatever. Sorry, I got off track there for a second.   

       I’m out for a run and using voice input. I disavow any spelling errors that’s my stupid phone.
doctorremulac3, May 07 2020
  

       OK one more time and I’m throwing this phone in the gutter I just about responsibility for any spelling errors. I disavow   

       I do not take any responsibility for these spelling days.
doctorremulac3, May 07 2020
  

       Errors errors errors errors errors errors
doctorremulac3, May 07 2020
  

       As Trump has proven beyond a shadowy doubt that the US doesn't really need a capable president (or indeed ANY president) to keep motorvating along I suggest everybody simply blot out those parts of the news and get on with their lives.   

       It could very well be that this was the grand plan all along; to bumble egotistically along providing little or no value and show that the primitive stone flywheel of Democracy (or whatever it has mutated into) will turn regardless.
whatrock, May 08 2020
  

       I'm struck by the nature of discussion of processes here. There is none. It's "Trump does the wrong process 100% of the time." and by implication "The democrats have the right process 100% of the time." Which suits the ruling class quite well. Keep the prols fighting among themselves about stupid stuff, but not examining what we do.   

       "Be a good little serf. Don't examine anything but variations of Orange Man Bad."   

       You will never hear this: "I don't like Trump but I agree with him on this one subject."   

       Never.   

       And if that thought were to cross your mind, you'd be wise to know your place and keep your mouth shut. Let that sink in for a second.   

       This is taking advantage of a natural process called sociogenic mitosis, the process of tribalism to divide us that used to cause us to separate into different groups to expand the species. Now it's just a natural instinct that's taken advantage of for profit and control of the masses. First step is to keep us at each other's throats. Divide and conquer. "Don't talk to people you disagree with, that doesn't serve your rulers."   

       (silence from the crowd) Uhhh, orange man bad?   

       (crowd) YAAAAAYYYY!!!   

       I guess what I'm saying is, it's fine to hate Trump, but does that have to exclude discussion of the complicated processes of running a society? Because I see that this one note harangue has replaced debate which can actually be beneficial to engage in. It's certainly more interesting. Hating Trump is just sort of boring virtue signaling. Wanna talk about it? Talk about what should be done and what was done wrong, then listen to the other side if there is one. Don't throw a brick and run away, get into the ring and fight it out.   

       I don't care what we're told to do, debate is good.
doctorremulac3, May 08 2020
  

       //You will never hear this: "I don't like Trump but I agree with him on this one subject."// for exactly the same reason as why you will never hear this: "I don't like Hitler but I agree with him on this one subject."
xenzag, May 08 2020
  

       And so the subjects don't get discussed, which I guess suits you fine.   

       Discussing subjects can get complicated. Very risky too. You might change your mind on something.
doctorremulac3, May 08 2020
  

       // You might change your mind on something. //   

       Perish the thought ...   

       // you will never hear this: "I don't like Hitler but I agree with him on this one subject." //   

       What about "I like Hitler but I disagree with him on this one subject." ?
8th of 7, May 08 2020
  

       I think it's safe to say that might never have been uttered by a single person. At least not in public anyway.   

       That or agreeing with everything he does but not liking him. Either one would probably get you a visit to the death camps.
doctorremulac3, May 08 2020
  

       You are so wrong on that.   

       You have obviously spent far too much time associating with pinko pseudo-commie bleeding-heat liberals, and far to little drinkin' moonshine with them good ol' boys from the Ennn Arrr Ay ...
8th of 7, May 08 2020
  

       Could be, I was wrong about something once before.   

       I thought I was wrong about something. Careless mistake.
doctorremulac3, May 08 2020
  

       I applauded Trump's early efforts with North Korea. I can even show the Twitter history if you doubt it.   

       But since then I have failed to find much of anything in which he has demonstrated any level of decency or competence or compassion. When you fail at level 1 of being a human you get nothing but derision. I treat him with the same level of contempt that I would any other hyperegotistical sociopath with zero curiosity about others. For as long as he continues to demonstrate sociopathic behavior I will continue to complain about him, as is my civic duty. When there is a sliver in your hand you go after it until it is gone and the pain is gone. Deriding that pain as simply "orange man bad" is caustic.   

       There are certain parts of the Republican party, and indeed even people here who aren't even American citizens who will rail about Hillary every time she is mentioned, even though she's been out of office for awhile now and hasn't been a candidate for nearly half a decade and never has any demonstrable crimes for which she will ever be tried by any actual court. Where's the indignance against Clinton Derangement Syndrome, which has been going on, without merit, since 1980-something? Those who turn a blind eye toward Trump's gross incompetence and parade of mismanagement and corruption but whine about Hillary are only demonstrating their real motives.
RayfordSteele, May 08 2020
  

       //I applauded Trump's early efforts with North Korea//   

       OK, probably took courage to admit that and it's an actual comment on an actual subject.   

       Which is the only thing that I find interesting.   

       Running society should be more about engineering solutions to problems and less about judging those solutions SOLELY by where they're coming from and who's suggesting them.   

       In my opinion.
doctorremulac3, May 08 2020
  

       It took no courage at all, honestly.   

       The problem with Trump is that he is all about who and not about solutions. He personifies the worst tendencies of parties.
RayfordSteele, May 08 2020
  

       Just trying to be nice.
doctorremulac3, May 08 2020
  

       Sure.
RayfordSteele, May 08 2020
  

       "Sure." as in "accepted" or "Sure" as in "You're a lying dog faced pony soldier!"?   

       LOL. I'll assume the former.
doctorremulac3, May 08 2020
  

       // He personifies the worst tendencies of parties. //   

       That's why he's so wonderful. He presages the inevitable downfall of representative democracy.   

       // Just trying to be nice. //   

       Don't do that.
8th of 7, May 08 2020
  

       Sure as in the first meaning. I very rarely type emotional reactions unless I really mean to, and when I do it's pretty obvious.
RayfordSteele, May 08 2020
  

       I figured. (Virtual boxing glove bump)
doctorremulac3, May 08 2020
  

       <Dings bell for next round/>
8th of 7, May 08 2020
  

       My main objection is the placement of a Trump post in the ‘Culture’ category.
AusCan531, May 08 2020
  

       It's a thing called "irony", [AC] ... it's a linguistic device employed by sophisticated writers, and may not be in common use in your geographical area.
8th of 7, May 09 2020
  

       Pffft, Western Australia has a plethora of iron mines.
AusCan531, May 09 2020
  

       //Western Australia has a plethora of iron mines.//   

       That's the answer to a question that never occurred to me. Now I'll spend the day wondering from where putters are hewn.
bs0u0155, May 12 2020
  

       Somewhere with a good supply of calcium carbonate; traditional putty is made from chalk and linseed oil.
8th of 7, May 12 2020
  

       Can you imagine if an aircraft was designed this way? The way we're trying to run something much more complicated, a civilization?   

       The red team and blue team tasked with taking a bunch of rocks and mud out of the ground, processing them and making them into a safe aircraft that can travel at mach .9, go 7,000 miles carrying 300 people in total comfort at 40,000 feet.   

       Day 1: Doctorremulac3, leader of the blue team.   

       "We're going to have to mine these ores, process them into aluminum, pump this oil and process it into plastic and then piece all these materials together to make an aircraft. But first, it's important that we address the fact that the leader of the red team is worse than Hitler. How much worse? That's what I've tasked our group to find out. Is he 1,000,000 times worse or only 1,000 times worse? That's why we're asking for a big budget increase, so we can research this. Plus we want the red team prosecuted for future crimes they may be planning so we can save time."   

       But sir, what about the airplane?   

       "Hmm, that's just what Hitler would say. GUARDS!".   

       I'm fascinated with the complex problems we face, but bored shitless of the lie that if we can just get rid of "those guys" or "that guy" all our problems would magically melt away. They won't. In fact, they're exacerbated by us spending all our time fighting over stupid shit.   

       I've mentioned before something I saw on a nature documentary when I was a kid. It was two beetles fighting each other. They didn't notice the wombat attracted to the commotion. The wombat ate them both.   

       Always stuck with me. Felt like nature was sending me some kind of lesson, and that lesson is, of course,   

       beetles are fucking stupid.   

       Thank you.
doctorremulac3, May 13 2020
  

       // a safe aircraft //   

       There's no such thing.   

       The only "safe"-ish aircraft is one that's on the ground, with no fuel in it. And even then, you can fall out and hurt yourself. On larger aircraft it can be a long way down and it's quite remarkably painful.   

       Flight is irredeemably, inherently, unavoidably dangerous. To state otherwise is a blatant untruth.
8th of 7, May 13 2020
  

       You know that's just what somebody else would say don't you?
doctorremulac3, May 13 2020
  

       //Can you imagine if an aircraft was designed this way? The way we're trying to run something much more complicated, a civilization?//   

       It's broader than that. There is an inverse relationship between how important things are and how good we are at them.   

       Take education. Mice don't matter, and so we have a full and comprehensive evidence-based set of methodologies in how to train them in practically everything they can be trained in.   

       Children: Some of the world has figured out that hitting them doesn't work if the goal is educating the child. But most of the world hasn't.   

       Car racing doesn't matter, so we have extensive and expanding methods to make cars hurtle across almost any terrain, occasionally airborne and sideways, on varied fuels with full pit stops performed in 3 seconds.   

       Running a country? We're proud that we got to the point where we hold a popularity contest usually won by a powerful individual positioned by some backroom deal- making. And that's radically different than chimps is it?
bs0u0155, May 13 2020
  

       That rather depends if they've spent any time crouching round the base of the Black Monolith or not. Then it tends to come down to "Who's got the biggest animal-bone club ?"
8th of 7, May 13 2020
  

       I've got a theory of why civilization GENERALLY advances though. That bone club eventually loses out to the less brittle wood club, that loses to the spear, that loses out to the bow and arrow then the atom bomb, and these advances are brought about by the cleverest guys in the tribe, and although there are notable deviations, the cleverest guys are generally the ones who are more inclined to support the idea of an efficiently constructed civilization where the core part of that construct, the individual, does well.   

       Now of course, there's the big question, do free societies do better than ones where everybody is just serving the emperor, king or dictator? Maybe in the short run the dictatorships can get stuff done, but it's the free societies that value the individual that GENERALLY create better individuals, more inclined to function efficiently and make things like a better spear or hydrogen bomb.   

       If it's all about kissing up to the Pharaoh, people are more inclined to do whatever it takes to kiss the ass of the chosen one. Doing something risky like inventing a crazy new invention like the cannon isn't going to be worth it because you're stuck in your social strata anyway, not worth the risk. In a free for all society, a lowly peasant can actually raise to a kinglike stature, if he does something better than how it was done before.   

       And if you were to take an ancient Chinese emperor and put him in a time machine and show him the US for instance, with its moon rockets, nuclear bombs, aircraft and technology, he'd say "Let me meet the leader of this amazing civilization!" Then he'd walk out of the meeting and say "What a pussy! This guy has nuclear weapons and he doesn't even want to use them? Then he gets impeached and doesn't have everybody involved executed? How the hell did this civilization ever survive much less thrive?"   

       The idea of a free society based on the rule of law, not the rule of violence and murder would be very bizarre, even creepy to the ancients.
doctorremulac3, May 13 2020
  

       //What makes Trump refreshing is because he's a sociopath.//   

       But not so much fun when he's also completely incompetent and also the leader of your country.   

       It's tiresome.
RayfordSteele, May 14 2020
  

       It's what happens when you let ordinary people have a vote.   

       You did it to yourselves. Get over it.
8th of 7, May 14 2020
  

       //creepy to the ancients//   

       Have you read anything written by anyone ancient, [dr3]?   

       If you look at The Golden Bough (which is the founding text of anthropology), it's full of instances from ancient and traditional societies where the law was more important than the ruler. The laws in question may have been weird and stupid, but the principle that even the ruler should be subject to them is not such a recent innovation.
pertinax, May 14 2020
  

       I've never read anything, I don't read.   

       Reading's for pussies.   

       That being said, in referring to a general trend there are going to be lots of outliers that might contradict the point referring to the aggregate, but I don't even know what those words mean, they just sound smartypants.   

       Typing is fun.
doctorremulac3, May 14 2020
  

       Noted.
pertinax, May 15 2020
  

       I just incorrectly read this idea as "Hitler Trump Saw". This would obviously be the ultimate fiendish cutting instrument, and used exclusively for sawing the legs off non-Aryan migrant children who had struggled ashore in Destin Florida after swimming across the Golf of Mexico from Yucatan. Ha
xenzag, May 15 2020
  

       As long as they still have their arms, so they can work 19 hours a day in dirty, badly lit sweatshops for no money - just subsistence rations - making overpriced trainers for overweight Americans, that's just fine.   

       Some sort of clamp to hold the legs while the sawing is done is indicated.
8th of 7, May 15 2020
  

       Yes, we progressives need our serf class, slavery gets stuff done, and the new improved slavery gives you the bonus of being able to pay workers shit wages AND be able to virtue signal about being some kind of humanitarian at the same time.   

       (Sits back in the rocking chair on the porch of my plantation watching the migrant workers toil in the field for shit wages and counting my profits while posting anti Trump slogans on various forums.)
doctorremulac3, May 15 2020
  

       //Some sort of clamp to hold the legs while the sawing is done// Excellent. I'm now imagining a comprehensive range of similar Hitler/Trump products now that we have the child migrant's leg saw established as a winner. They just go together so well.
xenzag, May 15 2020
  

       Hmm. Lots of violent torture fantasies today. Kind of disturbing.
doctorremulac3, May 15 2020
  

       Fantasies ? Where ?   

       <Applies MIG welder to 4mm mild steel plate to fabricate fixed portion of clamp/>   

       [xen], do you envisage sawing both legs simultaneously, or one at a time ?   

       Do you want a channel and bucket for the blood, or can it just mix with the sawdust on the floor ?   

       We have an idea for a natty add-on in the form of a heated bowl for the hot tar.
8th of 7, May 15 2020
  

       You're focusing too much on the initial instrument. Use your imagination to see what waits in the Hitler/Trump tool box to deal with the millions who can't pay their medical bills or their rent, once the virus really gets to work and the bleach injection results have been rather less than promised.
xenzag, May 15 2020
  

       <Rummages/>   

       We see a backhoe for digging mass graves, and a plentiful supply of glycerine, lampshades, and pre-owned shoes and spectacles.   

       Not as many gold teeth as we'd hoped, though, and amalgam fillings have zero aftermarket value.   

       The crematorium retorts will have to run on coal gas, not natural gas, but that's fine because there's plenty of coal to mine, and the coke is great for steelmaking. Guns AND butter... what could be better ?
8th of 7, May 15 2020
  

       Arbeit macht frei. "Work will set you free". But then of course, Hitler just killed them. Before he did that, he put them all in concentration camps (Like FDR to the Japanese). Before he did that, he took all their guns away. Before he did this, he labeled them with the star of David. Not worse then Mao, though.. (or communism, in general).
twitch, May 19 2020
  

       Always hated how we never hear about Mao or Stalin as the icons of evil that they are. I'm afraid it's because they still have a lot of secret fans.   

       Which is worrisome.
doctorremulac3, May 19 2020
  

       The numbers are not precise, but it's likely that both Stalin and Mao killed more people - of their own nations, as well as others - than Hitler.   

       Certainly the interwar famine in the USSR, a direct result of the collectivization of agriculture, killed many millions. The exact figures were concealed. Mao's Great Leap Downwards had the same result.   

       The conclusion ? "Humans are amazingly stupid and gullible, and make the same mistakes over and over again".   

       But it makes for great entertainment.
8th of 7, May 19 2020
  

       My grandparents escaped the Ukraine to get away from Stalin, I'm guessing many of my relatives weren't so lucky and were murdered by him.   

       That's why I find it distasteful to say the least to have the horrific crimes of genocidal mass murderers marginalized so somebody can virtue signal by saying "I disagree with that person on some political policies so he's no different than Hitler!".   

       Hitler slaughtered six million Jews. To say a politician you disagree with is no different than him is incredibly disrespectful to the memory of the victims of that horrific genocide.   

       But since this is going to continue, can we at least start comparing politicians we have slight disagreements with to Pol Pot or Fidel Castro? How come Genghis Khan gets a pass?
doctorremulac3, May 19 2020
  

       Khan was a conqueror; he wasn't, as such, genocidal. The migration of the Mongol peoples was driven as much by environmental and population pressures as a simple lust for more land. Geophysical events such as vulcanism, plus over-exploitation of resources, were a big factor.   

       He behaved quite badly and killed a lot of people but on the whole was probably no worse than the Europeans that colonized North America.   

       There is a distinct difference between taking over land from its existing rulers, and talking over with intent to exterminate the existing inhabitants. In general, the European colonial powers in Africa and Asia simply wanted natural resources, new markets, and tax revenues. They didn't explicitly attempt to wipe out the locals because that would be bad for business.   

       Hitler wanted to "cleanse" his new Lebensraum of Untermenschen. That's an utterly different mindset.
8th of 7, May 19 2020
  

       Leopold II vs von Trotha
calum, May 19 2020
  

       //he took all their guns away/   

       Does anyone know how many guns were held by civilian Jewish populations in central and eastern Europe *before* the Nazis came to power? I'm guessing not very many at all. But feel free to prove me wrong.
pertinax, May 19 2020
  

       I've mentioned before one of 2 pictures that formed my political views as a youth. One was a group of well dressed good citizens doing the "right thing" and following the orders of their government as they were told. Lining up cooperatively to get on a train. They were Jews going to an extermination camp. It begged the question, what would I have done? Would I have dressed my children and obediently marched with them to our death?   

       Plus, like I said, my grandparents came here to get away from that kind of barbarism. Since I'm in America now there's no place to run from here. Even if there was, I wouldn't.
doctorremulac3, May 20 2020
  

       //Khan was a conqueror//   

       To be fair to Genghis, he did (IIRC) employ a number of Chinese scholars in senior positions, because he understood and respected the fact that they knew things that he didn't.   

       That attitude on his part puts him ahead of both the individuals named in the title of this idea.   

       (Psst - [8th] - outside the Star Trek universe, "Khan" is generally a title rather than a name and, notwithstanding that there are people called "Mr Khan" just there are some called "Mr King", "Khan" was not Genghis' name. Actually, neither was "Genghis", originally (see also "Augustus"), but that's another story. Also, see also "Khakan")
pertinax, May 20 2020
  

       //Leopold II vs von Trotha//   

       Haven't heard of these guys, reading up now, thanks.
doctorremulac3, May 20 2020
  

       Jeez, couple of charmers.   

       I think in light of the disparity of infamy evil people in history get for their atrocities "barbarism" should be an area of studies taught in school.   

       But one thing: make sure all culture's history of barbarism is included so it doesn't become some BS political indoctrination where some cultures get a pass and others don't.
doctorremulac3, May 20 2020
  

       I suppose you could just do the top act from about say, ten diverse cultures. You might even then add the top good deeds done by humanitarians from that culture to offset any bad feelings towards that culture these studies might create.
doctorremulac3, May 20 2020
  

       Agreed.   

       Just occurred to me, as morbid as we humans can be sometimes, I'm guessing the college professor who taught this course would have very full classes.   

       I love history because I discovered it myself. My history teachers tortured me with dates, disconnected facts and empty, pointless stories. History is fascinating if it's described properly.   

       Here's my memory of a history course:   

       "In some year, some guy lead some other guys to sign a treaty to do some stuff because some previous guys had some trade deal that caused them to bring something to their country from another country, do you remember what that something was? Class? Anyone? Starts with a C? Co... anyone? Coco.... remember class? Coco nuuuu.. coconuts. These guys signed the trade pact with the other guys because in some year the guys brought coconuts from one place to another which angered the king who didn't like coconuts because he couldn't tax them because the church deemed coconuts un-taxible due to the ancient law of cocos tributum....."
doctorremulac3, May 20 2020
  

       If the first one is about un-intended consequences, that should be another college course.   

       I'll check them out.
doctorremulac3, May 20 2020
  

       I'm not sure Jude Law would appreciate being lumped in with Donald Trump and Adolph Hitler.
wagster, May 20 2020
  

       It's actually an imperative: Trump Hitler, Law!   

       An excellent history book written by someone (philosophically / politically) on the losing side: The World Turned Upside Down, by Christopher Hill.
An excellent march through the worst of European depravity: The Thirty Years War, by CV Wedgwood.
calum, May 20 2020
  

       Are there youtube clifnotes versions of all of these? Reading list is getting pretty long. Especially since I don't read unless I absolutely have to for work.
doctorremulac3, May 20 2020
  

       No, but you don't have to read them if you don't fancy it. It is, I am assured, a free country. I have put some links up, to save you approx 1,000 pages of reading.
calum, May 20 2020
  

       Cool, I'll check them out.
doctorremulac3, May 20 2020
  

       Here's an idea; we'll send Trump-Hitler through a beam splitter, and bounce them off of mirrors set at a quarter Trump-Hitler wavelength apart so that they'll emerge 180 degrees out of phase together and cancel eachother.
RayfordSteele, May 22 2020
  

       Thank you for that link Doc, this post could use a little lightening up.
doctorremulac3, May 27 2020
  
      
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