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After perusing the internet for several decades...

...you people are the only one's worth your salt.

Anyone who's been here for any length of time is tolerant, thoughtful, and willing to at least explore the philosophies and knowledge of people and things you might not ever have been exposed to before.

Can we all agree on this?

If so then many of you will not look down on me for not feeling the same way about other sites.
I spoke up, I got silenced. Yet I was not silenced here even though the rules are even more specific than sites I was silenced on due to my opinion of the mass enforced vaccinations.

So...

...where do people like me actually speak freely about things which aren't novel inventions, without violating rules, to those also capable of novel invention and thus the only one's worth talking to when it comes to changing things?

Novel invention is what is needed right now with minimal restrictions on discussion. We need to put aside past restrictions in order to forge something new.

One or more of you has the capability to create such a space.

That person isn't me as much as I wish it was.

Let me know where to sign up when it happens.


"A Modest Proposal" by Jonathan Swift https://en.wikipedi...i/A_Modest_Proposal
A fine example of the kind of thing that, I think, 2 fries is arguing for although its purpose is to argue against what 2 fries advocates. Can anyone spell 'irony'? [DrBob, Mar 22 2024]

Guardian article on the Satanic Temple https://www.theguar...e-evangelical-right
Also relevant. [DrBob, Mar 22 2024]

Gab.com https://gab.com/home
A free speech website. Some content is offensive. [sninctown, Apr 02 2024]

Web traffic estimator https://ahrefs.com/traffic-checker
Their estimate is only from search [4and20, Apr 03 2024]

Traffic estimator #2 https://www.similarweb.com/
More optimistic or pessimistic depending on sanity checker [4and20, Apr 03 2024]

Other traffic info https://moz.com/domain-analysis
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       If you want a website set up exactly how you want it, you need do it yourself. Saying you don't have skills, knowledge, time, money or time are all weak excuses.   

       [-] This not an invention. WIBNI "... someone set up a website for me like this one but without the rules I don't like."
a1, Mar 21 2024
  

       Try Truth Social. Apparently you can paint your face orange & make up any old bollocks & people on there will give you their adoring attention.
DrBob, Mar 21 2024
  

       Truth Social blocks VPNs. That's enough reason not to trust it. And I doubt I could say anything REALLY controversial there without being banned anyway. Same as here. If I were to, say, forward the idea of a beastiality cult in a serious manner I would be unwelcome in any site I know of. Or if I propose a return to nazism. Or if I advocate for pedophiles. I'm a free speech purist but there is nowhere on the internet which actually offers free speech. I believe this is by design. You can get silly but if you start attacking peoples deeply held beliefs and morals they'll attack you right back, and not with arguments. In many places it's actually forbidden by law to advance certain arguments. Try saying in North Korea that Dear Leader must die.
Voice, Mar 21 2024
  

       //if you start attacking peoples deeply held beliefs and morals they'll attack you right back//   

       That's probably more of a "people" problem than an "internet" problem.
pertinax, Mar 22 2024
  

       I'm just tired of being where I can't talk freely.   

       I'm telling you right now, all societies can regulate things so that free speech does not exist and I will be the last hold out.   

       Y'all didn't silence me when everyone else did about this vaccine bullshit.
So it shows you've got some grit and... integrity.
  

       That just needs to be extended to where a free-speech off-shoot of this site happens so that open minded individuals from disparate backgrounds can talk without being instantly cancelled by "people" problems.   

       I haven't met other humans on the internet willing to set aside cultural and educational backgrounds to discuss... whatever, other than here.   

       Yes [a1] it is unfortunately an WIBNI.   

       Just a sorely needed one, which I can't create by myself any more than I can hand form the plexi-glass hull for my pedal powered submarine idea.   

       As [pertinax] said. It's "people" problem.   

       ...but can you admit that it is a problem needing to be solved quickly?   

       I for ten miss the ancient Usenets groups, though they probably still exist in even less moderated formats.
4and20, Mar 22 2024
  

       As this is not an idea & likely to be deleted at any moment I thought I'd enter into the spirit of the idea & post the following:-
//Novel invention is what is needed right now with minimal restrictions on discussion.//

//if you start attacking peoples deeply held beliefs and morals they'll attack you right back, and not [necessarily just]* with arguments//
*Apologies to Voice for amending his words somewhat.

I am not a fan of censorship generally (although I also believe that there are things that children should never be exposed to). One of it's many problems is that it forces people into opinion 'ghettoes', where they get into a feedback loop of positive re-inforcement from the like-minded, instead of exposing them to the opinions of the general population where their ludicrous, abhorrent or just plain silly opinions can be shown up for what they are or lauded to the skies for their genius. Becoming a social pariah is, I believe, a more effective deterrent (in this particular case) than any legal sanctions.

I agree with pertinax that we have a bit of a people problem and I think, before we can move forward socially & get away from much of the 'herd mentality' thinking that goes on, we need to have a bit of a revamp of the way that people are educated. Not to deny it's value but I believe we should have a bit less vocational stuff & a bit more philosophical & artistic stuff. It'll be a tough sell in the current environment!

Anyway, that's what I think! So there! And pooh to you with knobs on to anyone who disagrees!
DrBob, Mar 22 2024
  

       // I can't create it by myself //   

       Will saying "I can't" often enough eventually make it easier for you?
a1, Mar 22 2024
  

       I wasn't here when the "vaccine bullshit" occurred, but if something similar or identically far out happened on another topical subject now I think the same thing you call tolerance would occur. But I don't think it's tolerance; it's just off-topic. Is it an idea for a new vaccine? No. Is it a method for distributing or administering it? No. Is it a possible source for vaccines? No. Is it a proposed method to convince others not to take a vaccine? Maybe. And this, to me, is the only part of the idea worth discussing. The rest is opinion and prejudice.
minoradjustments, Mar 22 2024
  

       // a bit more philosophical & artistic stuff.// The problem is all the philosophical stuff isn't "here's how to think and here are the ideas of the great philosophers". Instead it's "here's a race and sex who are evil. Hate them." And the art isn't "here are some beautiful things. Maybe we, too, can make beautiful things". It's "Here are some ugly things. If you don't admire them you just don't get it" Or in the case of literature, "Here are some books about how oppressed certain groups are and why a certain race and sex are evil". Even music has become "A certain race and sex made most of the music we know and admire. Let's ignore them and focus on less beautiful works made by more righteous individuals"   

       Maybe I'm just ignorant, but I don't see how telling half the human race, the half that does the great majority of the grunt work, that they're not helping is going to work out for the best in the long run.
Voice, Mar 22 2024
  

       The true cost of free speech is having to hear things you don't like
calum, Mar 22 2024
  

       //You didn't silence me.//   

       Tried to. You just didn't take the hint. ;)   

       There are always private group chats on Redditt that you could create and invite people to. Is the Yahoo group still a thing or did Yahoo groups die off? Granted, they have rules too. The arm of the insurance underwriter snd the Congressional committee on social media is long. But that's for a reason that usually involves people getting fed whackjob ideas and then going haywire.   

       The internet needs a way to more strongly promote boring normality in all its mundane glory as its done a very good job of promoting the ill-conceived and attention-seeking sideshows.   

       Old-school: Start a group email if you really want.   

       Anyway, I'm quite certain that jutta didn't want the Halfbakery to become the last haven for loons to discuss their beefs with the tendencies of societies and governments in the day of internet connectedness to reject what they find objectionable.
RayfordSteele, Mar 23 2024
  

       I wish I could help. Designated free speech websites exist but tend to focus on the stuff that's banned on other websites, making them morally hazardous and borderline unusable.
sninctown, Mar 23 2024
  

       //Will saying "I can't" often enough eventually make it easier for you?//   

       Maybe. You don't know... I am far too busy applying the skills I possess to learn the ones I do not yet know.
Someday is coming.
  

       //Is it an idea for a new vaccine? No. Is it a method for distributing or administering it? No. Is it a possible source for vaccines? No. Is it a proposed method to convince others not to take a vaccine? Maybe. And this, to me, is the only part of the idea worth discussing. The rest is opinion and prejudice.//   

       It's about not being silenced just because one's opinion grates.
How many of you are glad that your jobs were held ransom without compliance to the jabs?
  

       Anyone?   

       //The true cost of free speech is having to hear things you don't like.//   

       Exactly. You want tolerance?...
...then tolerate. My views on what was going down with the plandemic and the non-vaccines was not inaccurate. It was simply not narrative friendly, and anyone with a similar view to mine was silenced, degraded, fired, and vilified for more than two years by people so unwaveringly sure of themselves that they'd rather continue the narrative than admit that they got duped and accept it.
The con never stopped once it started. It only changed folks.
...but we're not allowed to speak about that anywhere across all of social media because?...
  

       Why? Who has deep enough pockets to engineer that kind of hate and ostracism across talking-monkey societies overnight?   

       //Anyway, I'm quite certain that jutta didn't want the Halfbakery to become the last haven for loons to discuss their beefs with the tendencies of societies and governments in the day of internet connectedness to reject what they find objectionable.//   

       I just meant an off-shoot.
I don't want to convince complete strangers of my opinions, I wish to discuss those opinions with people who's opinions I already respect without instant dismissal.
I've interacted with all of you for more than twenty years now. I'm no loon but I have been forced to live my life by wit and intuition alone and am correct about the plandemic as well as the narrative.
  

       I'm just not allowed to talk about those things.   

       //I wish I could help//   

       Me too!
Look at how much we already have in common.
  

       A few years ago I saw a group of protestors at the Twitter headquarters, asking for more censorship. It was a weekend so no staff were there. The protesters were yelling at the sign. I don't think anything changed as a result.
sninctown, Mar 27 2024
  

       Start a blog or a subreddit and rattle on to your heart's content. You can say what you want, but I suspect that's not what you are looking for.
tatterdemalion, Mar 31 2024
  

       //I've interacted with all of you for more than twenty years now. I'm no loon but I have been forced to live my life by wit and intuition alone and am correct about the plandemic as well as the narrative.//   

       See, that's just the thing. No. You're fucking not correct. And nobody wants to repeat that conversation, except you.
RayfordSteele, Apr 01 2024
  

       We'll see.
I am sure enough of my gut feelings on this to have quite literally bet my life on it by refusing to comply to the jab mandates.
The class action law suits from the wrongfully dismissed and silenced doctors and nurses have begun.
  

       [2f]. I share [RS]'s opinion on a lot of your beliefs - including the one that anyone besides you would like a "halfbakery without rules." Apart from the rank and file, even [jutta] has stepped in a few times to ask you take your non-invention discussions elsewhere.
a1, Apr 01 2024
  

       If we start shunning the eccentrics, we'll be left with only the centrics, who can't fit on that small dot all at once.
4and20, Apr 01 2024
  

       Dress up your eccentricities as a new idea and nobody will complain. Well - somebody might point out prior art or that your idea is unworkable ... but that's what we're here for. Whinging, not so much.
a1, Apr 01 2024
  

       Got a bun for ya 2 fries, I like your posts. Okay to bend the rules a little now and then.
doctorremulac3, Apr 01 2024
  

       //[2f]. I share [RS]'s opinion on a lot of your beliefs - including the one that anyone besides you would like a "halfbakery without rules." Apart from the rank and file, even [jutta] has stepped in a few times to ask you take your non-invention discussions elsewhere.//   

       Doesn't surprise me, and I didn't request halfbakery without rules, just a dedicated meeting room for halfbakers to discuss overflow conversations without graffiti to the site itself.   

       I grow tired of censorship.   

       I'm sure that you two do not speak for everybody.
Neither of you certainly speak for me.
  

       So... why should I care what you think of my postings?
Are you now the thought police?
  

       How about no?
How about that?
  

       Then what?...   

       //I didn't request halfbakery without rules, just a dedicated meeting room for halfbakers to discuss overflow conversations without graffiti to the site itself// - and there's absolutely no reason why you can't just set up your own chat forum somewhere. Buying a domain and website hosting is easy and there are free tools for setting up a chat forum. If you're keen to have a place for uncensored conversations on any topic, why haven't you already done this?
hippo, Apr 02 2024
  

       Further to that, if you don't want to host it yourself - you can create a 'server' (actually a chat forum) on discord, apparently for free.
Loris, Apr 02 2024
  

       // I'm sure that you two do not speak for everybody.   

       For sure they speak for me. And you are a fucking loon.   

       // If you're keen to have a place for uncensored conversations on any topic, why haven't you already done this?   

       I don't think that's what he wants, honestly. I think he wants a place where he can spout his incessant nonsense without challenge, ideally with like-minded nonsense spouters. He's looking for fans.
tatterdemalion, Apr 02 2024
  

       // I'm sure that you two do not speak for everybody. //   

       I don't. And the only one whose opinion matters on what belongs on the Halfbakery is [jutta]. Ask her.
a1, Apr 02 2024
  

       Did you just assume my gender?! Oh the outrage!   

       //For sure they speak for me. And you are a fucking loon.//   

       I'm sure they speak for the 90%, as that's how many of you were coerced into conformity by the narrative, but they don't speak for everybody and as I said before, if I'm a loon then humanity is in far worse shape than even I supposed.
I don't want fans. I barely want acquaintances. I do however want free speech.
That is something which was very nearly taken from us during this plandemic shit-show and the amount of animosity and ostracism I've had to put up with for sticking to my guns had made me a pariah and I pretty much gave up on most of society, but I have higher hopes for this crowd.
  

       Maybe I will start my own site.
Maybe I should call it onlyhaters.
  

       // Did you just assume my gender?! Oh the outrage! //   

       I don't know if you directed that to me or someone else. The only gender specific pronoun I've used today referred to [jutta].
a1, Apr 02 2024
  

       If we restrict ourselves to this "plandemic" narrative, any number of renowned people are agreeing about the misguided dangers of anti-Covid measures, though without mentioning some nefarious plan. RFK, Jr., despite being an improvement on memory AIDs Joe and the Orange Tang, is the heroin in his own story.   

       I just saw a report that more than a million excess deaths have occurred in seniors since Covid spikes abated. But I'd really have to check their numbers...
4and20, Apr 02 2024
  

       //And you are a fucking loon.//   

       This is the reason that the HB is a shadow of its former self. We used to have hundreds of visitors, now we have a couple of dozen at best. It really has become a very hate filled place.   

       Maybe we should change the name to the Trumphatery and say some final words.
doctorremulac3, Apr 02 2024
  

       //I don't know if you directed that to me or someone else.//   

       No your anno just beat mine to the punch.
I take it you are an early riser?
  

       // early riser? //   

       I might be if I slept on a regular schedule.
a1, Apr 02 2024
  

       // We used to have hundreds of visitors, now we have a couple of dozen at best. //   

       Well, one traffic estimator says we have 36K a month, dropping 25% a month. A different estimator says 1.7k a month.   

       It appears that a lot of visitors find one page in a search engine, then leave in terror. This may be because the top landing pages are:   

       sex stopwatch
strip uno rules
anal tattoos
liquid meat
quicksand vortex
4and20, Apr 03 2024
  

       [4and20] - interesting! Can you share where you got that data?
hippo, Apr 03 2024
  

       //It appears that a lot of visitors find one page in a search engine, then leave in terror. This may be because the top landing pages are://   

       Given that list, I suspect that rather, they're leaving disappointed - when they don't find pictures.
This suggests that if the goal was chasing pageviews, reinstating the halfbakery illustration scheme would be appropriate.
But again, given that list, I think I can say I'm okay with that not being the case.
Loris, Apr 03 2024
  

       Thanks for the links, [2 dozen]
hippo, Apr 03 2024
  

       I feel like an alien who just dropped into a silent poker club and everyone takes a turn grabbing someone's something. (or another).
blissmiss, Apr 03 2024
  

       Actually when I communicate with the peeps I know who have left, almost to a person they left because they grew tired or uninspired by the change to frequent let's alls, politics, and rantings and had other better things to move on to. Which is why I bone nearly every thin rant I see.
RayfordSteele, Apr 03 2024
  

       That'll show'em.   

       It occurs to me that most of the ranting on the net originates with Yanks. People blame the technology, but Yanks have had a lot to rant about and came very late to doing so.
4and20, Apr 04 2024
  

       (Hmm. Should I rant about that rant about yanks ranting? Naa.)
doctorremulac3, Apr 04 2024
  

       Wow! Looks like you've managed to get this one fully baked by just putting it out here. Congratulations are in order. Having said that, here comes the caveat: The true cost of free speech is having to hear things you don't like....(to quote Calum above). And yet, having mentioned the caveat, it still seems like a good idea, as the antithesis of the caveat is that the true benefit of free speech is (occasionally) hearing things you really need to hear.Like said quote, for instance. Ironically.
Edie, Apr 11 2024
  

       Freedom of speech is a constant fight.   

       It either exists...
...or you are people that those of us in the business of ensuring freedom of speech call...
...wrong.
  

       As you will all soon see.   

       Anybody want to bet that I am wrong?..   

       Step right up.   

       Good luck.   

       Freedom of speech doesn't really exist in a last supposed bastion, the U.S. Even when speech was free, anyone could neverthelessl be fired for their politics, except, recently, gay people.
4and20, Apr 13 2024
  

       Yup.
doctorremulac3, Apr 13 2024
  

       Not here. Not on my watch.
You are allowed to say anything you want about me or to me, and then I get to do the same.
You need not listen to what I have to say and I need not listen to what you have to say but I will defend your right to say it to the death and if you are not willing to do the same for mine...
  

       ...then you do not deserve the right to be heard as you do not defend it.   

       Or do you?
I don't mean to be all 'in-your-face' but I get the feeling that it is quickly approaching a crunch where it might be better if you'd considered these things and made personal decisions as to your stance before the crunch arrives.
  

       Just a friendly heads-up.   

       I like you people, and it's okay if you don't like me. I'll get over it, but mark my words.   

       Attribute my words to whatever tinfoil-hat-wearing conspiracy-theory anti-vax big-foot believing thing you want to name me.   

       ...but you mark those words nonetheless you third-eye-blind motherfuckers.   

       Mark them well. You'll see.   

       I wish there was some way I could shelter you all from seeing for yourselves. You'd all have to spontaneously jump onto my page and that's not going to happen so there is very little I can do to avert what's coming but I am just one man.   

       As long as people are willing to be led...
...the leaders will subjugate.
  

       Play that scenario through enough times in your mind and you can see the only out.   

       How many of you have played it out even once?   

       Any of you?   

       Yet 'I' am to be subject to 'your' dictates?
'Your' mandates?...
  

       Yeah... I don't think so.   

       ...   

       Just me?   

       We'll see.   

       I find it interesting that some of the "mentally ill" have systematically been ranting about the same thing. The dismissal usually goes something like "So intelligent, but..."   

       But people who were paranoid in the 1950s and 60s had every reason to be. We have to admit that the pressure for social conformity abated quite a bit. Maybe that's why it's coming back. The real problem of "the system" to my mind is that Anglo-Saxons organized society for quite a long time.   

       But as the saying goes, I can't see any reason to let dictators to live rent free in my head. If you're not engaged politically with other people to change things, you're just another victim shouting on the freeway.
4and20, Apr 15 2024
  

       There's a distinct difference between free speech and wild speech. Some of us, (including myself, too much of the time) think free speech means complete and utter liberty to spout whatever is on their tongues before even pausing for a second or two to filter it through the mind, or even the heart. That's not free speech, that's wild speech, which can lead to getting horribly lost in one's own wilderness. But it all boils down to freedom of choice, which is everyone's right. Yet all choices have consequences, and there's the rub.
Edie, Apr 15 2024
  

       // How many of you have played it out even once? // I'm pretty sure one or two of us have lived in genuine dictatorships and can see how the winds blow. Those who think the danger has a name starting with T are not among them.
Voice, Apr 15 2024
  

       //choices (have) consequences// Most people who say that are calling for specific consequences for specific choices. Don't be disingenuous, make your request explicit.
Voice, Apr 15 2024
  

       Ok, I'll be specifique, because I'm wearing my poet's beret tonight and I fancy myself French. But here it is. You can say, either out loud, or even just in your mind, or in your heart, that there is no God, and the consequence of that, is that you'll live in a Godless world, in a Godless universe, and to me, that's an awful, hopeless consequence. Now if that ain't free speech, I dunno what is. After all, no-one's paying me!
Edie, Apr 15 2024
  

       Freedom of speech doesn't really exist on a privately run online message board.
tatterdemalion, Apr 15 2024
  

       Does a bear listening to the sound of a tree falling in a forest when no-one's around really exist? Or was it only the tree that existed - until it fell?
Edie, Apr 15 2024
  

       Only if the bear is protestant.
Voice, Apr 15 2024
  
      
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