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NDE card

Because I want to know
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I am not ready or eager enough to try it out myself and because I don't know how, it would be the death of me, but still, I am curious. Eventually my curiosity will be satisfied, as will yours.

So in addition to a weighing mechanism on every hospital bed (They say you loose 21 grams on the moment of death), we place one of the 52 known playing cards. The joker doesn't count. The patient cannot see the card unless he or she, or indeed it, dies, and has an outer body experience. Upon revival the person who had a near death experience can tell what the card is.

This would prove wether or not the nde is caused by the brain or if the person really left their body.

zeno, Apr 27 2007

See what I'm talking about? http://www.near-dea...ces/evidence03.html
[2 fries shy of a happy meal, Apr 27 2007]

Ketamine, a.k.a "Special K" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketamine
Contains your RDA of dissociative anaesthesia! [jutta, Apr 27 2007]

The Playing Card Experiment http://www.astralpu...iment-t18497.0.html
As suggested in Astral Dynamics, by Robert Bruce [ldischler, May 02 2007]

Triggering OBEs with electrodes http://www.wirehead...misc/outofbody.html
Buzzing the right angular gyrus [ldischler, May 02 2007]

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       Fascinating stuff.
Check out the link.
  

       sp. whether   

       (As it happens, 'wether' is also a real word, for a sheep, I think).
pertinax, Apr 27 2007
  

       I used to hold a certification in Non Destructive Examination, but it was messy work.
normzone, Apr 27 2007
  

       How can something 'see' if it doesn't have any eyes? How do you collect and focus rays of light if you are a non corporeal being?   

       <spoiler warning> We only exist as arrangements of matter, the notion of self that we call consciousness is an illusion, that ends in death. The universe is a cold, empty, indifferent place in which there is no place for god, meaning or soul. The Easter Bunny is a myth, imps, pixies and angels are all make believe, and there's definitely no Father Christmas. </spoilers end here>
zen_tom, Apr 27 2007
  

       [zen_tom] What about the auto boner? Does it exist?
Galbinus_Caeli, Apr 27 2007
  

       Firstly, if I were a patient, and you told me: "Hey, Jutta, in case you die, try to get a look at this here playing card", I would be delighted. Seriously. What a goofy thing.   

       But a single card wouldn't realy prove anything. Knowing what the card is in a statistically significant percentage of cases above 1/52, without selecting which cases to report after their outcome is known, in a study set up to prevent communciation of the desired results to the subject, would prove something, although that something may either be "the protections against communication were insufficient" or "let's abandon our existing model of physics." (You probably know by now what my money's on.)   

       Not knowing the cards would also prove something - either "our existing model of physics works" or "out-of-body experiences are finicky".   

       I like the experiments that seem to work at first, then you tighten security, then they stop working - that at least says something about the means of communication. But by that time, fans of the supernatural have lost interest and moved on.
jutta, Apr 27 2007
  

       //This would prove wether or not the nde is caused by the brain or if the person really left their body.// Oh come on.
MaxwellBuchanan, Apr 27 2007
  

       For spiritualistic things like this, I would expect tarot cards to be far more effective. Also, there's 78 cards, so the chances of getting it right by guessing are lower. For better control, two or three cards could make rather large odds of guessing... if you stipulate that they must guess all in the correct order...   

       BTW the loss of 21 grams pretty closely correlates to the contents of the rectum and bladder, which are evacuated when the muscles relax upon death.
ye_river_xiv, Apr 30 2007
  

       While going through a tunnel into a bright light sounds like a transferred memory of chldbirth, I have always been intrigued by the common reports of meeting relatives and friends who are already dead.   

       Is that an experience generated by our cultural expectations of an afterlife, or are our cultural expectations of an afterlife generated by such near-death experiences? (I suspect the latter, whether or not the experiences are indeed supernatural.)
DrCurry, Apr 30 2007
  

       There are some scientists who start to think of the brain not as an origin of consiousness but as a receiver of it. Considering this you could form a whole new idea about death, afterlife and everything.
zeno, May 02 2007
  

       Looking at playing cards while out of body was suggested by Robert Bruce. See link.
ldischler, May 02 2007
  

       //the joker doesn't count//

In one report, a fellow shuffles his "52 cards," has an OBE, and sees a ten of diamonds. But in reality, it isn't a ten of diamonds, it's a joker. The next card is a ten of diamonds, though, so he says this as a success, as the joker doesn't count. Which is typical. Even when the tests fail, people find meaning in them.
ldischler, May 02 2007
  
      
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